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post #1 of 8 Old 05-17-2015, 01:17 AM Thread Starter
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Pilot Road 4 Trail

If anyone wants a pure road tire for a DL, these are quite nice.

Pluses:
Very stable and very quiet at speed.
Bike turns VERY well, holds a line very well.
Amazing grip levels dry, more amazing wet.
Handle bad seal just fine.
Very compliant compared with the tires I'd normally run. (Smoother ride)

Minuses.
A bit twitchy below 60kph. (But note the comment above, as the speed goes up they get more stable)
Road ONLY tire. They were O.K. on hard packed clay wet or dry, but not at all pleasant on loose gravel.
The rear picks up small stones, pays to check and remove those at stops.
Don't like wet wooden bridges much. (But then again, neither do I)
Understeer slightly on neutral throttle - needs just a touch of acceleration through the corners to fix that. Not really an issue with the grip they provide.
Relatively expensive. (But life is supposed to make up for that).

Life is also supposed to be very good, I just don't have the k's to confirm that.

Really an amazingly good wet tire. Riding a DL 650 with these on in the wet with other bikes on the road is like bringing a flame-thrower to a knife fight. I just rode around several litre sports bikes in the rain today, then sped up to a comfortable speed and disappeared on them. I think they have more grip wet than K60's do in the dry :P

The DL650 is great in wet weather anyway, but add in the wet grip of these things (really designed for much heavier bikes with 2-3x the power of a DL) and it gets seriously unfair.

Normally not a tire I'd pick, but I've banished myself from dirt riding for at least the next six months so went with something 100% road. I was a bit worried they might not handle the nasty back roads I enjoy riding, but they are fine.
I couldn't do what I could on K60's - pop on and off the seal onto the gravel margin @100kph, but they handled the broken seal at the road edges just fine. (We have a lot of 1-1/2 lane roads here where cars have to move over and put two wheels on the gravel margin when passing).

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The Pilot Road 3 and 4 series are a really good pavement tire. I have road over Ophir Pass in Colorado and many dirt/gravel roads. Fine as long as it is dry. High confidence in rain, but I cannot say I have had less confidence with a couple other tires I have used on the V Stroms and other bikes.

Know that the Pilot Road "Trail" series rear tire are built with a softer center compound and softer outer compound than the non trail versions. I have over 14,000 miles on the front Pilot Road 3 Trail. The rear Pilot Road 3 Trail lasted 8500 miles. Not what I expected. This was replaced by a Pilot Road 4 Trail. At over 4,000 miles I don't think it will last as long as the 3 version! Supposed to last longer, and this one is getting almost identical riding conditions.

The front tire is the best front tire I have owned. But at the price charged for these I won't be buying any Trail series rear tires again. Maybe not the fronts, as we had nearly as good of service out of the front BT023 Bridgestone and equal rear service for 2/3 the cost. Never had these slip in the rain and they are more stable at high lean angles also.

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I got 11,000 miles out of my Road 3 Trail on the rear. Replaced it with a non-trail Road 4, which has just over 4,000 miles on it. So the front Road 3 has over 15,000 miles and still looks good. In the 11,000 miles on the Road 3, about 3,700+/- miles were touring solo with luggage. The rest were day rides in Colorado. I do run close to max pressure.

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Bridgestone T-30 is the replacement for their old BT023. The T-30 has gotten good reviews, just not quite the rain tire as the PR3&4.

Mileage reports are difficult to normalize. The speed, load, and even the abrasiveness of the gravel used in the pavement all matter.

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Don't like wet wooden bridges much. (But then again, neither do I)
I put a set of Pilot Road 4 Trails on a couple of months ago, after previously running nothing but Anakees on my Strom.

For my almost 100% seal riding these days they're superb but on a recent very wet trip, which contained several wet longitudinal-planked bridges, the occasional heart-flutter was produced.

Otherwise, solo or loaded for a trip, wet or dry, they're great.

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...Otherwise, solo or loaded for a trip, wet or dry, they're great.
Yes. I'm a fan too.

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For my almost 100% seal riding these days they're superb but on a recent very wet trip, which contained several wet longitudinal-planked bridges, the occasional heart-flutter was produced.
Wasn't just me then . Lion's road though so no one will notice the brown patches on the bridges anyway.

They didn't like deep loose gravel either, but bad seal even the odd scattering of gravel over the seal and they coped just fine.

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Bridgestone T-30 is the replacement for their old BT023. The T-30 has gotten good reviews, just not quite the rain tire as the PR3&4.
I have a set of T30's on the new RT. About 3500 miles since last month on them. Riding in NC and now WV and a good percentage of that is wet riding. I have pushed these on the wet in places where I could be aggresive and have yet to have them slip in the rain. At some pretty steep lean angles and hard throttle exiting turns. Which is what I could do with the BT 023's on the V Strom. I could also do that with the Pilot Road 3 and 4 series. Are the michelins better in the wet? I don't see how anything but a controlled laboratory test would prove it. Not knocking the Pilot Road series, just offering my experience with tires in the rain. There is zero doubt to me that the 023 and T 30 tires are better at steep lean angles in dry conditions in that they seem more stable. Neither seems to slip much, but the Pilot Road tires have a slight squirm to them when pushed.

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