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post #1 of 48 Old 03-29-2019, 01:09 PM Thread Starter
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Brother Refuses to Take MSF Course

What’s up people. My dad and I are sort of at a loss here.

My dad used to ride and is now out of the game (after having kids he just never picked it up again) and I currently do on a (new to me) 2005 Strom.

I’m 23, never took the MSF course (cause I was an idiot at 18) and have had a few bikes, ridden cross country, practice my skills in parking lots and watch Twist of the Wrist every so often.

My brother is 20 and wants to get into riding. This is cool, I’m excited for him. Except...he refuses to take the MSF course.

My dad is willing to pay for it but essentially my brother thinks that since I didn’t take it, he doesn’t care to do so either. He’s not the kind of person that generally thinks about the long-term consequences of his actions.

Want to hear people’s thoughts on ways I can motivate my brother to take the course and regardless of that, what materials to get into his hands to ensure he has a safe noob stage of riding. Thanks!
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Have you considered taking the course with him? It's never too late to brush up on your skills.
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That's a really great idea-it'd be good for me and would set a good example for him. Thanks!
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A few things here...
Many insurance companies will give a discount for having taken..and passed.. the MSF safety course. That's a motivation right there.
Many dealers have their own safety courses available.

Can he ride? What's his experience? Have you ridden with him, can you show him tips?
The MSF isnt the end-all/do-all for keeping riders safe. I know MANY riders who have taken the course and ride like relative idiots and have crashed accordingly. But it's better to have the knowledge and control the MSF offers.
Ive had my "Oh-Shit!" moments, we all have had them.
Just tell him it's YOUR life and YOUR decision. In riding a motorcycle, unless your being paid to do so it isnt a competition, there is nothing to win and absolutely everything to lose.
That's all you can do. Each individual is ultimately responsible for his /her own personal safety.

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Great point on the insurance, I didn't even think of that.

He's not a good rider. He took my stepfather's Harley out for a spin only a few weeks ago, swung wide and over-throttled a U-Turn, and went off the highway into a ditch. He no longer rides the Harley, needless to say. He's never ridden dirt bikes or street, and he can't drive a manual transmission car (so shifting is foreign to him).

I can give him some pointers-definitely. If nothing else I'll ride down there when he gets his bike and take him out to get a feel for where he's at skill-wise.

I get the "it's his life" thing and that's my stance currently. Our dad is having a much harder time accepting it. Also, for context-we all live in separate cities. My brother and I are in NC and my dad is in NY.
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Have you considered taking the course with him? It's never too late to brush up on your skills.
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Also at least in Ontario, Canada now it's a requirement. Not legally but no insurance company will touch you without it. It's actually creating problems because of our graduated licensing.

1. Write motorcycle license test, get an M1 license which allows you to ride under restrictions (no night riding, alcholol, etc)
2. nobody will insure you because you have not passed the MSF course to get your M2 license
You must have the m1 license for a minimum of 60 days and a maximum of 90 days. So even if you do the course the same day you write the test you cannot ride for 60 days because nobody will insure you until you get your M2 and register the MSF course.

I'm sure some insurance companies will begin to sort this out, but the guy who bought my DRZ400S had to wait the 60 days.

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Make sure he can control a bicycle well 1st. Then he can graduate to something with an engine.
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Great point on the insurance, I didn't even think of that.

He's not a good rider. He took my stepfather's Harley out for a spin only a few weeks ago, swung wide and over-throttled a U-Turn, and went off the highway into a ditch. He no longer rides the Harley, needless to say. He's never ridden dirt bikes or street, and he can't drive a manual transmission car (so shifting is foreign to him).

I can give him some pointers-definitely. If nothing else I'll ride down there when he gets his bike and take him out to get a feel for where he's at skill-wise.

I get the "it's his life" thing and that's my stance currently. Our dad is having a much harder time accepting it. Also, for context-we all live in separate cities. My brother and I are in NC and my dad is in NY.
He's just inexperienced, it takes time.

When you go out riding together, make sure he leads.. do not let him follow. A lot of people do that thinking it's safer but IMO it's absolutely not. Just because you can make a stop, navigate a turn, etc does not mean that he can. Let him lead and set the pace. To be honest I think he's better going out on his own, he does not need to be worried about what you are doing.

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When you go out riding together, make sure he leads.. do not let him follow.
This is a great tip. That way I can watch what he's doing and see how confident he really is at starting, stopping, dipping into turns, etc. Thank you.
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Don't know what to tell you.

I never took a riding course. I graduated straight from bicycles and dirt bikes into street riding. Read a lot of articles in bike magazines, made a few mistakes on the road. Managed to bank some experience before I got overdrawn on luck. I also didn't hop straight onto a 500 lb, 100+ HP motorcycle, either. Rode a couple different Yamaha XS400s and then a DT200 before buying my first new, heavier and more powerful bike, a Kawasaki ZX6(E).
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