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post #1 of 39 Old 04-04-2018, 10:55 AM Thread Starter
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You can do everything right.

Not much this rider could have done differently IMO.



Even though I can in this state I don't split to the front at lights 'cause of stuff like this.

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That would be the kind of sandwich that NO ONE wants a bite out of.
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Check the intersection before and after the light goes green.

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So the white car to the left of the dark SUV sees the car running the light, but the SUV driver does not and is hit with force sufficient to roll it over.
Almost impossible for the cyclist to have seen the red light runner coming, period.
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This is just luck. Noticing that car running the light would be completely possible, but the rider is in the third lane over and would have had to see past a lot of vehicles to notice that.

wrt the OP comment "Even though I can in this state I don't split to the front at lights 'cause of stuff like this. " In this case that could have prevented the accident, or made it much worse. The white car isn't at the stop line so cutting to the front and pulling in ahead of that car, and assuming the rider would accelerate much faster than that SUV had, they may easily have been clear of the accident. Equally likely skipping to the front would have put them beside the white car, and they would have been blind sided by the white car taking our their rear wheel.

I never thought of dash cam footage of accidents as a learning tool before, but looking at this and imagining the possibilities and considering how I would react has been interesting.
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I just keep thinking about how lucky the guy on the bike is that the SUV to his left apparently didn't see the car running the red light. If the driver of the SUV had seen the car and then stopped short, the biker would have likely taken a direct hit. Scary.
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"I never thought of dash cam footage of accidents as a learning tool before"

WHolly crap, how can you look at any vid and not see it as a learning tool? To paraphrase Tennyson, "Idiots to the right of me, Idiots to the left of me, Idiots in front of me."
All those entertaining vids are screaming, watch for yo' ass!
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...wrt the OP comment "Even though I can in this state I don't split to the front at lights 'cause of stuff like this. " In this case that could have prevented the accident, or made it much worse...

Typically I see bikers split to the front and take off as soon as the light changes. No regard for red light runners.

Me I let cars go through first and try to keep one abreast through the intersection. I look both ways before I go also.

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Typically I see bikers split to the front and take off as soon as the light changes. No regard for red light runners.

Me I let cars go through first and try to keep one abreast through the intersection. I look both ways before I go also.
"No regard for red light runners." This isn't possible to tell. Do you stare at their heads to see where they are looking? Ever see one get hit? Ever see someone run a light and the bike not take off? I would put money on the answer to all three of these being no. You see bikers split to the front, take off as soon as the light changes, and you have seen this happen many times without consequence.

Can we all say for sure we would have looked in this case? The rider is surrounded by cars, lots of them. Ego aside, I can't say for sure that I would have looked in this case. I don't know if I would look when surrounded by cars like that. There is a good chance I would have looked, but it's not something I am conscious of. I will certainly try to be conscious of it after seeing this.

Since this is a helmet cam, we can clearly see the rider didn't turn their head, but whether they checked with their eyes and didn't see the person running the light is not possible to tell.
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I generally stop so that I can see traffic coming from the sides but with so many lanes of traffic there that would have been difficult to do.

As the title of this thread says "you can do everything right" ... and sometimes it doesn't matter.


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