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post #1 of 21 Old 09-10-2016, 07:31 AM Thread Starter
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Hello All, I've had three 650s - the last was the later model. I loved them. For various reasons I had to spend time crossing Europe on autoroutes and found the 650 was a bit scary in strong side winds. Bought a GSF1200S (Bandit) which has proved ideal: low weight and heavy - very stable in cross winds. Problem is, after 3 years, my knees can't take the position on the Bandit any more.

I would love to come back to a Strom and wondered if any of you (new) 1000 owners had a view on how stable it is in strong winds. I know I should not be affected by them (been biking for nearly 50 years now) but it remains the only thing I can't stand. Does the heavier weight of the 1000 over the 650 make them a bit more stable in cross winds? I know a lot of you over in the USA (Texas?) experience winds on a daily basis. I would really value your thoughts.

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After owning 2012 DL650, in 2014 I've traded it for 2014 DL1000. With 650, riding in high cross winds was a bit of a challenge. I had bike wandering arround a lane quite a bit. Installed fork brace and it got much better, but still had to fight against a cross wind.
Now, with DL1000, the story is completely different. When I get hit by strong cross wind, I feel my body being push arround but the bike keeps going in its trajectory. Almost hard to belive. Now I have to take care of my body and its position but not about the bike anymore.

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I have had 2006 DL650, 2012 DL650 and have a 2015 DL1000.

The 2006 had the front lowered and fork brace added. Never an issue in side winds.. literally could ride hands off in 40 to 50 mph gusts. Bike would move around and correct itself as long as I didn't mess around with it.

Same thing with the 2012 and the 2015 although apargt from a fork brqace o nthe 2012 they were never modified and I think the highest cross-winds I had on them was probably 30 to 40 mph.

Stroms are tall bikes there is a lot of cross-section to catch the wind. Add being relatively light for the size and they will react to gusts.. the secret is to let them move around a bit. Your job as the rider is to gently guide it as opposed to tightly control it.

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It's more the rider than the bike that has difficulty in cross winds and gusts. https://www.stromtrooper.com/riding-p...d-%3D-wow.html

Fighting the gusts is the wrong process. Staying loose and letting the bike change lean with the gusts is the way to go. You don't try to keep the wheel track in a straight line but rather keep the center of mass in a straight line while the bike lean and tire tracking changes to compensate. The wind is your dance partner and it leads. If you fight or tense up, the wind on your body will cause your arms to input bad moves into the handlebars. Things like fork braces and leaning your body lower and forward over the tank help, but light countersteering inputs to keep the bike leaning into the wind the right amount to keep the center of mass where you want it is the skill that needs to be developed. Taller bikes need more attention but the action is the same. I'm moving this to the rider proficiency section along with all the other threads on the same subject.

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The wind is your dance partner and it leads. If you fight or tense up, the wind on your body will cause your arms to input bad moves into the handlebars.
Perfect analogy and it explains why my wife enjoys a gusty ride more than me. But I'm starting to enjoy it lately. It starts with an attitude change .... this is gonna be fun, like a twisty road vs a straight one.



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Sudden gusty winds are always exciting with "adventure" themed bikes. Worst ride I had was on the R1200GS I had then, crossing Nebraska on a very, VERY windy day. Gusts from the north at about 45-50 knots. It was open highway and light traffic but I didn't dare go faster than 45, lest the wind kick me hard and send me down.

I was leaning into the wind at almost a forty-degree bank. And then if a truck would pass me, suddenly I'd have a momentary shelter from it...and I'd almost fall over, losing that push.

Same day, I came up on one of those triple-trailer trucks on a four-lane stretch...tractor was in the passing lane and the two trailers were blown off so much the rear trailer was almost squarely in the right lane.
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I have had two 650s and just purchased my second 1000 - a new 2014 leftover. One of the main reasons for my purchasing the 1000 was the extra stability at speed on the major highways, especially the Interstate Highway with all those crosswinds and turbulence.

I took her for a run on the Interstate and was very pleased with the results. I cruised at a steady 70 mph in fifth gear and the ride felt very stable. Also, At that speed, the 1000 still had PLENTY of passing power.

I usually take my bike for a ride on a windy day 25 to 35 mph winds (not to crazy) to perform a controlled test. I have only owned my new 1000 for a few days; so, I haven't had a chance to test this one
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I took her for a run on the Interstate and was very pleased with the results. I cruised at a steady 70 mph in fifth gear and the ride felt very stable. Also, At that speed, the 1000 still had PLENTY of passing power.
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Off topic: why would you be in fifth gear at 70 mph if you were cruising? I understand being in second or third of you are full throttle winding it out but if cruising wouldn't you be in the highest gear chilling?

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Off topic: why would you be in fifth gear at 70 mph if you were cruising? I understand being in second or third of you are full throttle winding it out but if cruising wouldn't you be in the highest gear chilling?

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I am not quite sure what your point is. The word "cruise" can mean different things. Two such meanings in the Webster dictionary state as follows:
1. to move or proceed speedily, smoothly, or effortlessly <I'll cruise over to her house to see if she's home>
2. of an automobile : to travel at a speed suitable for being maintained for a long distance.

My thinking was that stating the ability of the DL1000a to travel smoothly and effortlessly at 70 mph on a windy Interstate Highway had a direct relation to the OPs concerns.

I apologize to you if you think I was off base here.
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I am not quite sure what your point is. The word "cruise" can mean different things. Two such meanings in the Webster dictionary state as follows:
1. to move or proceed speedily, smoothly, or effortlessly <I'll cruise over to her house to see if she's home>
2. of an automobile : to travel at a speed suitable for being maintained for a long distance.

My thinking was that stating the ability of the DL1000a to travel smoothly and effortlessly at 70 mph on a windy Interstate Highway had a direct relation to the OPs concerns.

I apologize to you if you think I was off base here.
No off base or anything like that.. To me cruising means taking it easy and I was wondering why you weren't in 6th rather than the 5th you mention. No right or wrong...

I am pretty much a Jekyl and Hyde rider... I am either in a high gear keeping revs down chilling or I am in a low gear revving the snot out of it isn't lots of throttle. Can't see why I would be in between the two unless I am getting ready to pass, etc. (Twisties are different, ideally revving to keep the engine in the max torque range for different reasons but that isn't cruising.)

Btw I completely I completely agree about your comments re riding in crosswinds. There was a wind warning (and tornado warning!) on my way home this eve. I love riding hands-off in windy conditions so spent a fair a out of my riding this eve hands off. I'm always amazed at how bikes self stabilize if we riders don't interfere!

..Tom

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