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post #1 of 120 Old 12-11-2014, 11:03 PM Thread Starter
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Motorcycle accident statistics. How do they apply to you?

Having looked into motorcycle accident statistics I've been giving the issue some thought.

A very significant factor to consider is how bad the vast majority of motorcycle riders are.

Almost daily I see totally stupid driving by bikers, but also see so much poor "preventative" awareness by apparently OK motorcycle riders.

Excluding reckless riders I see so many riders that ride in to much of a free spirit" manner practicing no predictive traffic behavior riding. They just ride around like there isn't a risk around.

I see riders lane splitting while approaching major forks on freeways.

Just today a rider on a Harley lane split between me (in a car "cage") and another car on a curved downhill three lane connector. The road surface there is cement slabs with cracks between lanes. There were no cars infront
of us and the car to my right was going quite slow and I would have passed it in no time. Regardless the stupid biker chose to pass between us. What was most stupid was that there was an open lane plus emergency lane open to the right of both cars.


Anyway when we look at statistics on motorcycle accidents and deaths it makes me wonder how much of this is avoidable and what the numbers would be if we excluded the idiots... excluded people wearing jeans and sneakers (like the guy above)... excluded the people wearing salad bowl helmets.... excluded riders without safety enhancements to their bikes... etc etc.
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Thought lane splitting is only done at a red light I need to be more educated.

Hope I don't get off topic, I have been able to avoid accidents so-far, But yes, stupidity is a factor. Ignorance may be another problem.

As for the biker in your post having room on the right to pass, it's illegal for vehicles to be in the left lane unless passing.
Rider/driver education sucks big time, speeding to catch the last 0.0001 seconds of a yellow light is illegal yet students are taught to break the law ( I've seen it ). People will stop on the freeway in the left lane to get to the exit that's 5 lanes to the right, ( again why were they in the left lane?)
Cars turning right on red is fine, but for Pete's sake come to a STOP like the handbook has printed in many languages.
Cagers and bikers changing lanes at freeway speeds is a good one, seen certain bikers just use a hand signal, twist the throttle and go without actually looking to make sure it's safe, the loud pipe will save then. Cagers will begin to ride the lines, bouncing off of them, then they will gradually be on the line slowly entering (my) the next lane, THAT'S when a signal is used, and maybe a slight twist of the head can be observed. My Stebel has had them move back fast Still do not know why they did not see my Brights, Hi-Viz Jacket, Hi-Viz Helmet

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... Still do not know why they did not see my Brights, Hi-Viz Jacket, Hi-Viz Helmet
Bright lights can act as camouflage.. they can cause people to not realize that you are a motorcycle, not know your position or speed, and at worst can cause you to literally disappear from their view.

I am firmly convinced that hi-viz can help you if you are lying on an empty road in the middle of night on a dark road in the country. I am not so convinced that it helps when in traffic and someone does a quick check and then pulls out or changes lanes, especially in bright conditions.

I have a Stebel on my 2006 DL650. I always viewed that if I HAD to use it I failed.. I must have put myself in a position that left me at the mercy of others and I could have avoided it. I bought one for my 2012 DL650 and it is still sitting in a box. I haven't missed it.

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Leaving cars out of the discussion for now... I am convinced that bikers are the most significant cause of motorcycle accidents through incorrect driving (both through ignorance and recklessness). On top of that inadequate bike and gear.

Last week because I had a bad cold I drove my car. 2 to 3 hours a day. I saw many motorcycles and of them all I only saw one driving in what I would call a reasonably safe manner. In the week I saw 4 downed bikes. Hear one go down in opposite lanes. Crunch followed by high revs.

Every lane splitter I saw was doing it wrong.
Splitting when traffic was going faster... no need to lane split.
When the traffic is going faster the time gained lane splitting is insignificant.
If traffic is going at 40mph and the lane splitter is going at 50mph the rider jut isn't going to gain enough time, but take a huge risk.
Spitters also splitting in the wrong locations or wrong moment:
Splitting with a SUV with a rented trailer to the left and multiple cars to the right and approaching a fork.
Splitter splitting with ape bars and feet on forward mounted cruising pegs.

Riders (including splitters) wearing jeans or shorts and sneakers.... not to mention salad bowl or open face helmets.

Even crazier... tailgaters... yes motorcycle tail gating a car... honking at it and flashing his Paris Dakar lights at the car.... in dense traffic.

Not one of the bikers I saw in the whole week used a headlight modulator. Not one had the loud passing beeper. Not one with big viz colors on their gear. All black, grey or dull jeans.

Even saw two street racers driving in "suicide mode" in tee shirts and sneakers, but darth vader isn helmets.
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Thought lane splitting is only done at a red light I need to be more educated.
Varies from state to state.

I California there is no law permitting it, but there is also no law not permitting it.
However bikers are pulled over for lane splitting if they are splitting dangerously beyond the accepted guidelines.

I will only lane split with very slow traffic or stopped cars. Even then I will do so
slowly and only on those freeways that have wide enough lanes and clear view, light etc. I will not lane split with sun low behind me. I have my headlight modulators on. Low beam in low light/overcast and high beam in bight sunlight.

I always lane split when coming to a stop either at red lights or on the freeway. On the freeway I will lane split even if traffic suddenly slows down. I do so to avoid being rear ended.

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Leaving cars out of the discussion for now... I am convinced that bikers are the most significant cause of motorcycle accidents through incorrect driving (both through ignorance and recklessness). On top of that inadequate bike and gear.

Last week because I had a bad cold I drove my car. 2 to 3 hours a day. I saw many motorcycles and of them all I only saw one driving in what I would call a reasonably safe manner. In the week I saw 4 downed bikes. Hear one go down in opposite lanes. Crunch followed by high revs.

Every lane splitter I saw was doing it wrong.
Splitting when traffic was going faster... no need to lane split.
When the traffic is going faster the time gained lane splitting is insignificant.
If traffic is going at 40mph and the lane splitter is going at 50mph the rider jut isn't going to gain enough time, but take a huge risk.
Spitters also splitting in the wrong locations or wrong moment:
Splitting with a SUV with a rented trailer to the left and multiple cars to the right and approaching a fork.
Splitter splitting with ape bars and feet on forward mounted cruising pegs.

Riders (including splitters) wearing jeans or shorts and sneakers.... not to mention salad bowl or open face helmets.

Even crazier... tailgaters... yes motorcycle tail gating a car... honking at it and flashing his Paris Dakar lights at the car.... in dense traffic.

Not one of the bikers I saw in the whole week used a headlight modulator. Not one had the loud passing beeper. Not one with big viz colors on their gear. All black, grey or dull jeans.

Even saw two street racers driving in "suicide mode" in tee shirts and sneakers, but darth vader isn helmets.
Passing beepers?, Headlight modulators?, High Viz gear?...

Sounds like you need to wrap yourself in bubbles, I wonder why do you even have a Motorcycle??? sounds to me like you live in constant fear...



Try being a little less judgmental, I would hate to hear you rear ended a semi while counting full face helmets or riders with inadequate lighting

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I have practiced quite a few extreme sports.

In particular kitesurfing big waves. What mother nature has fought me is to respect the environment and the force of mother nature. I have learned how to observe big waves and understand them. Sense what they are doing and how to
be a part of them.

Making one's self visible and taking safety precautions is simply a part of enjoying one's self in a challenging environment.

I do not live in fear... 20 foot waves and mountain goat trails on my KTM are a blast.

I consider traffic like storm waves. Lot's going on and lots to observe, predict and respect.

My fathers business partner was in an accident caused by a motorcycle "road racer". The road racer ran a light at ridiculous speed. the bike went straight through the car killing two passengers. Sorry if I come over as a bit judgmental.
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Passing beepers?, Headlight modulators?, High Viz gear?...

Sounds like you need to wrap yourself in bubbles....
LOL. I forgot to mention that I always ride with an air-bag vest..... hi-vis green.
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...Not one of the bikers I saw in the whole week used a headlight modulator. Not one had the loud passing beeper. Not one with big viz colors on their gear. All black, grey or dull jeans...
Not everybody agrees that those things enhance safety. There certainly aren't any statistics to prove it.

As for the riding behaviors you comment on: Motorcycling is going to attract those kinds of people. Just the nature of the sport. Nothing you can do about it, they're not going to change and they definitely don't care about your opinion.

And besides, what you're doing is passing judgement on their risk/reward choices, which always seems a bit ironic to me coming from anyone who rides.

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A lot of accidents involving cars and motorcycles occur because the driver of the car didn't see the motorcycle, a known fact. Anything that makes you more visible without being too much of a distraction will help prevent these type of accidents from happening. It's a safe and logical deduction to make. Certain accidents that occur such as a deer running out wouldn't have had a different outcome regardless of the amount of "visibility" items present. The only way to avoid the possibility of these type of accidents is to not ride. Level of safety is still a personal choice though dictated by the risk factor whether perceived or real that the individual is willing to take.

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