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post #11 of 59 Old 05-06-2019, 06:28 PM
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It really depends on where you're riding. Here out west, full textile, vents and a cooling vest will keep you comfortable from 85-110. A mesh system will make you feel like you're riding in front of a blow dryer and your cooling vest will be dry in 15 minutes.
I'm have a Klim Badlands set for touring. It's the most versatile, water proof, well vented gear I could find. If it gets too cold, I can plug in my heating vest. I don't want to mess with over suits or liners. There are a few brick and mortar stores in my area that carry Klim so I was able to try them on for fit. With Aerostich, unless you ride to their store or catch a pop up, you have to monkey around with test fitting and shipping back and forth.
For my daily commute, I wear a Roadcrafter. It keeps me dry and is easy on/off over my clothes. I found it on Ebay for $350 and it looked brand new when I got it. It doesn't vent near as well as my Klim stuff does though.
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Well I ride all year round in a Darien Jacket. All day sometimes too. Temps to 110+, seems OK.
Of course we're made of sterner stuff out here in the West!

A solid jacket is absolutely better (than mesh) over 100 deg. especially with a cooling vest underneath.
Need to keep that blow dryer air off your skin!
Interesting...

Are you saying that I'm getting more dehydrated and/or overheated in my Dakar mesh than I would in a suit with strategic venting and a cooling vest? Link to your gear please

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Well I ride all year round in a Darien Jacket. All day sometimes too. Temps to 110+, seems OK.
Of course we're made of sterner stuff out here in the West!

A solid jacket is absolutely better (than mesh) over 100 deg. especially with a cooling vest underneath.
Need to keep that blow dryer air off your skin!

That is your opinion, just like what I wrote is mine. I will test your 110 degrees with a 98 degree and 70+ percent humidity. See who holds up best in that!

There are differences between riders. Such as how much you sweat. There are differences in bikes. Such as how much air can actually hit those vents or mesh. If you feel like you want sweat pouring down the crack, then solid gear might work for you. But if sweat isn't evaporating, it isn't cooling you. That is my "argument" about mesh vs solid. I have aero packages on all my bikes where I don't get wind blast. Hard to get air up my sleeves at times. Especially with the Motoport gear, the mesh isn't loose. Yet I get air everywhere, evaporating sweat and cooling me. Not the "blow dryer effect" by any measure. I prefer to get off the bike without sweat dripping off me. You can do ok with solid at speed, but in my opinion it can become dangerous in certain conditions when stuck in traffic. Heat stroke is real and solid gear has had me so hot I had to pull out of traffic and take it off to cool down.

It is my opinion, based on thousands of miles both in Houston heat and humidity as well as riding out West and the East coast, that good mesh gear above 70 degrees keeps the rider far more comfortable than ANY solid gear. Yes, it is nice to have gore tex solid gear when hitting rain. Or not, as I often ride in bike shorts and a compression t shirt and just get wet! To qualify this I will say I am not one that sweats compared to others. Maybe that makes the difference. But I have tried repeatedly to use the "solid is best in heat" approach and have never found it to be true.
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My Aerostich Roadcrafter and Darien suits seem to work for me. But I have BMW, CycleGear and Helite jackets too.
I've done Kilo days in brutal weather hot and cold in most of the stuff I have and one doesn't work too much better than another.
As long and I have Mr Gerbing for the cold and Wet Vests for the hot, I can manage. I carry both when traveling because the weather be different every few hundred miles, eh?
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Klim for me. In my case Klim Latitude (jacket end pants) but also using a lot Olympia X Moto during the summer.

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Interesting...

Are you saying that I'm getting more dehydrated and/or overheated in my Dakar mesh than I would in a suit with strategic venting and a cooling vest? Link to your gear please
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"The magic number is 93. Below 93F, its fairly easy to stay cool on a motorcycle as long as you are moving fast enough to get some wind against your skin for convective cooling. A mesh riding suit feels great. Above 93F, its a different world. The wind is no longer your friend. For long distance riding in temperature higher than 93F, you need to (1) minimize your bodys exposure to direct wind blast; (2) wear wicking undergarments, including a helmet liner; (3) carry an adequate supply of cool water and drink frequently; and (4) insulate any parts of your body exposed to engine heat or radiator discharge."


It's hot here 60 miles away from Death Valley, imagine! I've worn a succession of mesh type jackets and there's no doubt that a solid jacket is better. A wet vest under a mesh jacket dries out in about a third of the time compared to a solid jacket

I only open the sleeve zippers on my Darien jacket. Air flows up the sleeves and inflates the jacket. Wearing a wet cooling vest underneath it's actually chilly initially.
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So what would be a good 93+ degree jacket?

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From the Iron Butt Assoc. guys that ride serious miles:


Long-Distance Riding in Hot Weather
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That is one persons perspective. It is an old report. Repeated by many. Say something enough and it becomes indisputable.

Yes, 100 degrees with a t-shirt and shorts will quickly do you in. But mesh gear isn't t-shirt and shorts, it is careful management of the air that hits you. No different from regulating the air vents on your solid gear. I just get air in more places that need it to smoothly control evaporation. Now if you are comparing mesh with 1/4" openings, maybe that is a problem ( for sure would be when scrubbing the pavement!).

Find out what works for you. You just might be surprised that you can be comfortable in higher temps after all!
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Here is a good write up regarding the different types of Gore Tex.

https://www.webbikeworld.com/gore-tex-membrane-types/

Personally, I really dislike having to put on a rain suit over my riding suit. Usually end up getting wet because I keep hoping it is just a shower! Hopping around on one leg, under an underpass, trying to get it on over boots is just a PITA. So for me, my riding suit needs to be waterproof and again, for me, the outer shell needs to be waterproof. If you rely on the liner to provide the waterproofing, you end up with a water logged outer layer that is very heavy, takes a long time to dry, and turns into a refrigerator when it does start to dry.

So, again, for me, that means the 2 or 3 layer technology mentioned in the link above. I have a Klim Latitude suit (a 2-layer). It has been 100% waterproof in all day downpours, easy to control temperatures by layering, has adequate ventilation for up to about 80 degrees (I seldom ride above that) and good crash protection although I have not tested that aspect.

I wish I had bought the Klim suit years ago. It would have turned out to be less expensive in the long run, I would have been more comfortable, and I wouldn't have 3-4 other suits hanging in my closet, gathering dust.

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"....That is one persons perspective. It is an old report. ....."

I look forward to reading your links that disprove what the IBA article is saying. I know just enough about mamallian physiology to be dangerous and I agree with most of what the article says. I do know that in very hot temperatures (100+) it is virtually impossible to keep endurance horses hydrated by simple oral intake of fluids. Dehydration is very dangerous and can impair cognitive functions in people. Better to be a bit uncomfortable and hydrated than comfortable and dehydrated IMO. And I will add (and this can be applied to many discussions regarding most things motorcycle related).....anecdote is not the pluralization of data.
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