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post #1 of 52 Old 11-26-2016, 05:58 AM Thread Starter
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Jerky/snatchy throttle fix!

Having owned a 2004 V-Strom for ten years, I updated to a 2014. I was disappointed with the jerky,snatchy throttle response.
After reading some favourable reviews on the G2 throttle tamer I purchased one. In order to fit this I would have had to damage the heated grips, I decided to return the part .
Triumph Explorers suffer from a similar problem with the ride-by-wire system. I read on their forum about a damping grease widely used in the car industry and this solved the problem of the over sensitive twist grip.
I found an outlet for this grease at Newgate Simms based in Chester.
I purchased a 10g Nyogel 774 VH damping grease and the results were amazing. My first ride was soooooooo smooth, the "rocking horse" has left the stable.
In short it provided a fix for the issue I had.
Peter Wilks at Newgate Simms was really helpful and the product arrived the following day .
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O.K. ...I'll be the mullet. So , 2004 , where do you put this here miracle grease ? Does it involve any clothing removal ?
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Hi,
This miracle grease is applied in a thin layer in between the handle bar and the twist grip. It is very sticky as it contains Silica and gives a damping affect to the throttle.

If you go onto the Triumph Explore Forum and search Damping Grease you will read plenty of rave reviews for this Miracle Grease. I am unable to give you a link as this is my first post.
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With the cable operated throttles on "pre drive by wire" bikes the snatchy throttle is usually a symptom of too much slack in the throttle cables. Easily adjusted with the threaded adjuster near the throttle grip, a correctly adjusted throttle cable can make more difference in that jerky or sensitive on/off throttle than you might imagine.
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Having owned a 2004 V-Strom for ten years, I updated to a 2014. I was disappointed with the jerky,snatchy throttle response.
After reading some favourable reviews on the G2 throttle tamer I purchased one. In order to fit this I would have had to damage the heated grips, I decided to return the part .
Triumph Explorers suffer from a similar problem with the ride-by-wire system. I read on their forum about a damping grease widely used in the car industry and this solved the problem of the over sensitive twist grip.
I found an outlet for this grease at Newgate Simms based in Chester.
I purchased a 10g Nyogel 774 VH damping grease and the results were amazing. My first ride was soooooooo smooth, the "rocking horse" has left the stable.
In short it provided a fix for the issue I had.
Peter Wilks at Newgate Simms was really helpful and the product arrived the following day .
Thanks for the great tip!

Will you please report back, after putting significant miles (say, 10k) on the bike, how well this damping effect holds up? Also, whether it becomes objectionably stiff at near-freezing temperature?
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Think the OP has a point; installed a G2 Throttle Tamer and all was well for a while, till the throttle became jerky, with poor control over RPMs. Cable had very little play, minimal. Since this was a new issue, thought maybe lubrication would help, so sprayed some lube between the throttle tube and handle bar and smooth throttle returned, been fine since then.
OEM throttle tube is plastic so rarely needs lube, but can see how some lube might help, as long as that lube is compatible with plastic.

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For 50+ years I've been assuring that my throttle tube is moving freely and smoothly with the smallest amount of freeplay. Now I hear that GREASE will make it better ??? Lots of the throttle snatch is caused by driveline play or "slop". Put the bike in gear on the centerstand and move the back wheel back and forth. That freeplay is driveline slop. No throttle grease will fix that. But , with an open mind I'd like to hear about others trying this throttle grease just for a few more opinions. No, I'm not volunteering.
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I'm in the camp that thinks it's often a matter of rider touch. Most reports of problems come from riders new to their bikes who haven't honed their touch yet. I had electronic cruise control on my bikes so left a lot of slack in the throttle cables to let the CC do some throttle control with my hand on the grip. That caused no control problems for me. Throttle inputs move the cable in opposition to a spring. As long as the throttle butterfly has any degree of opening at all, there is no play involved in control. The spring takes up any play. Play is only a problem if the rider turns the throttle completely off and can't feel the opposing spring force. Many DL1000s have lean low speed issues though so that may be the case here. Those issues would not be solved by damping throttle inputs however, but by better fuel mapping.
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This is a reply from Pete who is the tech help support guy at Newgate Simms.

Hi Kev,

Thanks for getting in touch. My name is Pete, I'm the tech help/product support chap here at Newgate and so have been forwarded your email.

Will try not to bore you to death....the damping effect you are looking for can be achieved in different chemical ways/using different formula. The end goal is the same, but some applications and different materials dictate the most suitable.

Both the 868 and 774 range would cope fine with the task but personally I would go with the 774VH. You have to use grease with some caution around plastics, occasionally grease can have compatibility problems with plastics – symptom would be swelling, cracking or discolour of plastic.

The 868 is was originally designed for metal on metal type applications. The 868 range has a ‘Rust Inhibitor’ additive in that can occasionally be the source of some problems with plastics....so the safe bet is the 774VH (TDS attached). I think previous customers have gravitated to the 868VH as it has a Chrysler and GM specification number on the Technical Data Sheet (attached).

All the products are top spec. You don’t see our products sold on the high street as they mostly sold to component suppliers or direct manufacturers for use in new vehicles.

You should know that the product has a recommended temp range of -10°C to 120. If you lived in Siberia this -10 might be a problem. Should be fine, it doesn’t stop working when you get to -11 !!

If you were concerned about this you could look at the 774H with has a -20°C lower temp recommended range. The general rule of thumb is the higher the viscosity, the narrower the temperature range.

One other thing. 774 range uses silica as a thickener. You may get the odd smart Alec saying that you shouldn’t let silicones near paintwork as it spreads really easily. It is a silica thickener used in 774 products, silica only sounds similar to silicone – they are 1000 miles apart chemically speaking. Most of the large automotive manufacturers use the 774 range...say no more.

Apologies for the extended reply but there never is a short answer with grease/lubrication – and we don’t get out much! Feel free to post this explanation on the forum.

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Drive chain slack had been adjusted,throttle free play was correct and 4,000 mls of trying to hone my touch, but it was only after applying this grease I was able to hold a rock steady speed on a very uneven road.If you read on the Triumph Explorer forum drive line slop is not an issue as they are shaft driven,slack in the throttle cable not applicable as Ride By Wire " using this grease provided a very nice fix to the Jerky/Snatchy throttle". this is just one quote from the many Tex riders who have used the Grease.I didn't have an issue with my previous Strom but I remember on my test ride of the new Strom how super sensitive the throttle was and I put it down to me being new to the bike.Many owners have got shut because of this and have suggested that if Suzuki addressed the issue they would have a lot more happy owners.Maybe supply a tube of 774 V.H.grease in with the tool kit.
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