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06-26-2007 12:28 AM
bureaucrat
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Originally Posted by Juan_Banjovy View Post
MotorcycleConsumerNews magazine reported that HD had an 18% drop in 1st quarter earnings compared to last year, which they said was due to the 3 week strike. I'm sure they'll pull out of it. I just hope they don't bring back that import tariff again from the early 80's! I like HD for the fact that they're a part of American history & they're unique in the marketplace for that. On the other hand, they've never made a motorcycle I'd be interested in buying. That would be a sight; high-vis ATGATT, stock muffler & Doan's pills for my back. I do like Buells though.
Yup, things were tough for Harley back in the day. Little known fact is that the Army had sizeable contracts with HD to make bomb bodies during those thin years. Those contracts did more to keep HD afloat than any tariffs.

The Army contracting officer worked out of the Rock Island Arsenal on the Mississippi at Moline/Rock Island, Illinois. When he bought a HD it raised a few eyebrows around the watercoolers.
06-26-2007 12:13 AM
quema First off, I think any of these mergers seems unlikely at best.

My father (an older gentleman to be sure) always purchases American cars. He does so out of patriotism. I respect that, I like that in him. I also think he is a fool... his cars always fall apart while he is still paying for them. Unfortunately, we Americans just don't have something (dedication, work ethic, integrity) I don't know what it is... not these words, but something. We used to make Dodge Chargers, Chevy BelAires, and Ford F-___ that had style, quality, emotion... then we made the "K" car in the 80's when Honda made the Accord... neither of which have any style... but at least theirs kept running... and we never recovered.

I like to think we are different (motorcyclists), and many I feel are. But why can't we build quality products? Is it beyond us?

Sorry, I just realized this is most certainly off topic / a rant.
06-25-2007 11:55 PM
K1W1 I'd love to know exactly what proportion of your typical Harley is currently made in America anyway.
Assembled in America yes, made in America no!
Most of the alloy wheels and shock springs are made in Australia.
I bet the majority of the electrical components are made in Asia.
Tyres?
Accessories?
The engines and frames may be of US origin but I suspect that's about it.

Having said all that I can't really see what the fit between Honda and HD would be HD have shrinking market issues (long term) they effectively have no unique technology to bring to the table and any Japanese ownership would be likely to create a huge consumer back lash in their prime market. The fit between Ducati and HD is much more logical where HD can diversify in the US through their dealer network into the sport market with Ducati and can leverage the existing Ducati network in Europe to sell Harleys. The combined operation would have greater ecomonies of scale for sourcing parts.
06-25-2007 11:35 PM
Juan_Banjovy MotorcycleConsumerNews magazine reported that HD had an 18% drop in 1st quarter earnings compared to last year, which they said was due to the 3 week strike. I'm sure they'll pull out of it. I just hope they don't bring back that import tariff again from the early 80's! I like HD for the fact that they're a part of American history & they're unique in the marketplace for that. On the other hand, they've never made a motorcycle I'd be interested in buying. That would be a sight; high-vis ATGATT, stock muffler & Doan's pills for my back. I do like Buells though.
06-25-2007 11:12 PM
randyo
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Originally Posted by Redbeard View Post
I thought it was interesting that I saw H-D ads on TV this past weekend - they usually only do that when they are in a sales slump.

,
Bob S.


where you been?

my guess is that Willie wants to cash in while things are boomin



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06-25-2007 11:06 PM
randyo
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And I know this won't be particularly popular here, but I do see a definite fit and finish advantage to HD over most other motorcycle. If you are looking at cruisers, HD is just head and shoulders the quality leader. Of course you pay for that quality.

OK, I'm going back to sleep now.

Dan

I have to disagree I think Harley had fit and finish over every other motorcycle except maybe custom bikes


Honda is lookin at Harley for one reason, profits, I doubt they would change much



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06-25-2007 09:54 PM
DynaSport First, it is not HD that makes the bikes so loud, it is the owners. Kind of like those annoying 4 cylinder cars with loud mufflers the kids like. Many of them Hondas by the way:mrgreen: Second, as a HD owner, I hope they aren't bought by Honda. I just don't think the corporations mesh very well. HD is all about nostalgia and form. Honda is much more function and technology oriented. I don't think the HD crowd would welcome Honda ownership very happily. I also don't think a Ducati merger would be good. They have too much similarity to Buell in many ways I think. Personally, I like it just the way it is. And I know this won't be particularly popular here, but I do see a definite fit and finish advantage to HD over most other motorcycle. If you are looking at cruisers, HD is just head and shoulders the quality leader. Of course you pay for that quality.

OK, I'm going back to sleep now.

Dan
06-25-2007 08:31 PM
JONNYREB I hope this comes to pass as H.D. is one of the very few companies left in this country that truely places a value in the words " MADE IN AMERICA"
My chevy's are made in mexico, all the crap at walmart made overseas, most everything made is cloned by an asian nation, Call your credit card company its "Karen" in india,WHERE DOES IT END?
America was built on ideas and ingenuity all created here at home and i wish the global economy we all share can still have a sizable amount of products put forth with the letters U.S.A. printed or stamped somewhere on them. If we lose H.D. to another foreign investment interest, we have lost another icon in the long line of them now owned outside our country.
H.D has had to go looking for technology outside our shore but so what? Just good business there. I for one hope H.D. keeps on doing what its doing and someday i hope i have enough extra cash to get one myself. If it has made in Japan stamped on it, They can keep it. Just my thoughts...J.R.
06-25-2007 05:57 PM
Cheff For sure there is rumor of Ducati and Harley merging in some way. But no specifics if, when and what the merger will be.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/209fe0b8-18a...b5df10621.html
06-25-2007 05:55 PM
Redbeard I thought it was interesting that I saw H-D ads on TV this past weekend - they usually only do that when they are in a sales slump.

If (and that's a big IF) Honda were to buy H-D, I doubt much would change - the bikes would still say "Harley-Davidson" on the tank - and for a bunch of folks, that's all they care about.

I give the Ducati/H-D rumor more possibility - about the same as the BMW/H-D one that was out a year or so ago...

Take care,
Bob S.
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