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post #31 of 62 Old 05-02-2019, 12:07 PM
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So while the HF tire machine has a low cost of entry it need other components to help bring it up to par. The vise (parts that holds the wheel) is decent but the mount/dismount bar less than desirable. The only thing it'll be really good at is scratching up your wheels. So budget a $100+ for a MoJo tire bar. Also the jaws on the wheel vise that hold the wheel from spinning are painted metal and if you don't add teflon MoJo blocks or eve come up with some pieces of rubber again your wheel if it slips will scratch.

So until you spend the extra money bring it up to spec you well on you way to getting a NoMar or or a Cycle Hill (also made by NoMar). I prefer the NoMAr classic as the bead breaker is at waste level verses at floor level like the HF or the Cycle Hill. Also the NoMar plastic parts are warranted forever. If you bend, break or wear them out ship them back and new ones will be on the way.

My NoMAr paid for itself very fast. I save 30 to 50% buying tires online and on average save $40 to $60 per wheel doing it myself verses having the shop do it. Within about 4 tires the NoMar at $545.00 has really paid for itself. For a while I also put and add on CL that if you brought me you wheels and tires I'd change them for $20 per wheel. It didn't take long until that was paying form my new tires.

As for balancing I do have a HF static balancer and use it more for a truing stand than balancing tires. Years ago i switched to counteract balance beads. 1 ounce in the front wheel and 2 ounces in the rear. I the several hundred tires i changed for myself, friends and CL people I only ever had 2 complaints.
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When you see posts of mileage of over 15,000 miles on a rear tire, make sure you have your hip waders on! There is some BS to wade through. I don't doubt a few riders have managed over 15,000, but what did they go through to get that? And how would other tires compare in mileage.

What you get with your riding style is all that matters. I gave up long ago on a 10,000 mile rear tire......
I had a Shinko 705 go 11,000 mi and a original Torrance go 15,000. This was in Western Washington were the roads are always in some state off dampness. Now that I'm in Spokane my tires are getting 2-3,000 less. Plus we have a lot of Chip-sealed roads here, which are harder on tires, both m/c and cars.

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One thing to consider, is that for about 20-30$ less than the T31s(maybe cheaper in your area?), you can get Battlewings that will be a little less sticky in twisties (they do perform well, don't get me wrong), but give you at least 2500-3000 miles more overall (from my personal experience).
I was looking at the Battlewings (and A41s) a bit overnight.
Going to a couple local shops between today and this weekend (whenever I find the time) to see what they can do for prices on the T31s, A41s and Battlewings.
They come out to the exact same price for a pair on AmericanMotoTire so I'll see what the local shops say.


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I have the No-Mar classic tire changer and have been happy with it. Look at it from perpective of investment. With about 4-5 tire changes from a shop, you could use the money to have purchased a no-mar tire changer. I like the classic because it has a center verticle bar and really helps in changing the MC tire.
You can wait for ebay to have one of those 10 or 15% discount coupon and make the purchase to save some add'l coin.
Thanks. This will probably be an option down the road but right now it's not in the cards. Will keep this one in mind for sure though.
Thinking I'll probably just pay a shop to install this time around and plan on picking up a machine when I need tires again.

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So while the HF tire machine has a low cost of entry it need other components to help bring it up to par. The vise (parts that holds the wheel) is decent but the mount/dismount bar less than desirable. The only thing it'll be really good at is scratching up your wheels. So budget a $100+ for a MoJo tire bar. Also the jaws on the wheel vise that hold the wheel from spinning are painted metal and if you don't add teflon MoJo blocks or eve come up with some pieces of rubber again your wheel if it slips will scratch.

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As for balancing I do have a HF static balancer and use it more for a truing stand than balancing tires. Years ago i switched to counteract balance beads. 1 ounce in the front wheel and 2 ounces in the rear. I the several hundred tires i changed for myself, friends and CL people I only ever had 2 complaints.
After reading the reviews I pretty much came to that conclusion - that I'd need to get a bunch of other stuff to make the HF machine worth half a damn.
Will be holding off on buying a machine until I can afford something better like you recommended (unless of course I can find a used/decent machine on craigslist in the next couple days... which is doubtful but worth a check).

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Trust me, talk to your local dealerships, some may surprise you with a lower price (after you mention the online price that is). I like to support my local shops as much as i can, when they make the effort to be competitive.
I have 705s on my bike right now. The rear is done. Was going to get another 705 since the front still has 60% left. Stopped in a local shop and they had Michelin Road 5 Trails on sale. So I splurged and picked up a set for about $80 less than what I would have paid if ordered through Revzilla.

My bike had the 705s on when I bought it, so I don't have any comparisons to offer since I haven't had time to fit the new tires yet. But, bang for the buck, they are a good buy. Not perfect at any one thing, but good enough so long you're not in mud or loose dirt. I've ridden mine on gravel and hard packed dirt without drama. At the price for a set, if you can spoon them on yourself or with help from someone, try them out and if you don't like them, get something else and resell the 705s here on the classifieds. You won't get all your money back but you'll get some...

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Why not post a want add on here and places like ADV Rider "looking for someone local to change tires". Someone near you has to have a tire machine if not you're only Grafton MA is only 405 miles from me. Ship your tires to me. Ride down one day and I'll change your tires and ride home the next.

Sure it won't be as cheap as someone with a tire machine a few miles away but you'll get 2 days of riding.

As a side note, NoMar machines do pop up on ADV Rider and elsewhere from time to time. Unless they are local shipping tends to be a deal killer.
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After reading the reviews I pretty much came to that conclusion - that I'd need to get a bunch of other stuff to make the HF machine worth half a damn.
Will be holding off on buying a machine until I can afford something better like you recommended (unless of course I can find a used/decent machine on craigslist in the next couple days... which is doubtful but worth a check).

All a manual tire change "machine" does is hold the rim and (secondarily) provide a place to break the bead. By holding the rim you can use a bar to lever off/on the tire instead of tire irons to work your way around the tire.

Usually breaking the bead is the hardest part of changing street tires. Their are lots of DIY type solutions. A machine just provides a fixed position to break the bead. Same concept though force is exerted on a small area of the tire bead to break it loose from the rim.

Tire irons are the cheapest way to change a tire. Once you understand the concept of keeping the opposing side of the tire in the drop center of the rim as you use the irons (Google it) it's fairly easy to change a tire. Much more of a technique thing than a brute force thing.


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I actually saw that video a while ago when looking at picking up those tire irons. I'm sure I could handle it w/o a machine, just might make it easier.

Going to see what deals the local shops can offer, then might buy the beadpro bead breaker, rimsavers, and tires online if I don't get a reasonable tire+install price from any dealership.

Worst case I fail with the bead breaker or can't get the tire off myself and I have to hang my head in shame and bring a half-finished tire to a shop!
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Worst case I fail with the bead breaker or can't get the tire off myself and I have to hang my head in shame and bring a half-finished tire to a shop!
There's no shame in that! They are professional and have the experience.

On my maiden voyage time with my no-mar tire changer, I could not install the rear Bridgeston Battlewing on my machine. Ended up taking the rear in. Come to find out, the shop owner said the Bridgestone Battle wing sidewalls are REALLY stiff and showed me a special technique as he had a hard time taking if off himself. He advise that next time I do this, be sure to leave the tires outside in the hot sun for a few hours to soften them up.
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180 series soft compound sport bike tires are a breeze to change as they are pliable. Levers can work for fairly easily for breaking beads on these tires. But move to heavy walled tires and its a game changer. .

Recently changing out a set of Michelin Anakee's on a R1200GS with tubeless spoke wheels the bead breaker arm on my NoMar is 36" long and I was hang a good portion of my well over 240lb body weight on the lever to get the bead to break. No 12 or 14" lever on earth would have broken that bead.

I always loved the sport bike guys bringing their tires to change. Soft pliable 180 series rear tires were a 5 minutes on/off job. If the tire is good and hot from laying in the sun a lot of the time you don't even need spoon to put it on the wheel you can push it on by hand or maybe need a spoon for the last couple inches. Plus they wear out quickly so lot of repeat business.
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Thought about it on my drive home and I'm really starting to think I'll be ordering the bead breakers and stuff required to change the tires myself. Will try running the tires w/o balancing at first, but if something feels off I'll get dyna beads or take them to a shop for balancing (or fab up or buy a cheap balancer and give that a shot before resorting to going to a shop). Want to be able to do this myself and might as well start sooner than later.

Only down side is that I need to change them this month before inspection is due and... well... it's been crappy cold rainy weather here for the past month with not much sign of letting up to warm up the tires. Oh well, I'll get a fire going and set them nearby if needed (or something like that...)

Now I just have to decide between Battle wings, T31's A41's, and Shinko 712's.
Leaning towards T31s at this point because I don't need a tire with any dirt capability but maybe I'll have a couple beers later and that will make my decision easier!
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