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post #1 of 80 Old 08-10-2012, 10:22 AM Thread Starter
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Top Tier Gasoline where are you? (USA)

who carries top tier gasoline? Brand names. TIA..
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post #2 of 80 Old 08-10-2012, 10:40 AM
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Interesting how few of those top tier names are readily available in the Seattle area. With all the mergers and rebrandings, Shell and Chevron are still somewhat common. But most of the gas is sold at independent or small regional chain stations, or convenience stores, supermarkets or Costco up here. I make an effort to go out of my way and pay a few cents more a gallon to fill up at a Chevron whenever possible, just because of the Techron additive package. I have read a lot on the merits of Techron and motorcycles.

Another pet peeve of mine is that ethanol is added to all auto gas produced by the refineries in Washington up by Anacortes. Some of the small regional chains here say they get ethanol-free gas shipped in from the refineries in the Rocky Mountain states, but I have my doubts as to the consistency of supplies from there. The local stations listed on the pure gas website still have the ethanol stickers on their pumps, and the person behind the counter cannot tell you if ethanol-free gas is in their tanks or not.

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Add ConocoPhillips' 76 brand to the Top Tier in the Seattle area. I don't know if ConocoPhillips' Circle K stations are the same gas.

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"Top Tier" sounds a lot like a branding pay-to-play scheme to me... like the "Who's Who," or Better Business Bureau.

A TT gas dealer in a remote area whose gas is laying around in their tanks longer before you buy it might have crappier gas than a non-TT who's moving enough to get a delivery every day. IOW, I'd rather have fresh non-TT gas than TT gas with a bunch of condensation and rust in it.

For that matter, I'm more interested in this: http://pure-gas.org/
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I've been putting gas in my cars and motorcycles for years and never experienced a problem or felt I got better performance from a particular brand. I think it would be beyond the realm of a typical rider or driver to be able to determine whether or not a specific brand made a measurable difference in an engine's performance or longevity.

My criteria has always been price and convenience.

I do acknowledge, though, that there's always a chance buying gas that has been contaminated with water.

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Interesting how few of those top tier names are readily available in the Seattle area. With all the mergers and rebrandings, Shell and Chevron are still somewhat common. But most of the gas is sold at independent or small regional chain stations, or convenience stores, supermarkets or Costco up here. I make an effort to go out of my way and pay a few cents more a gallon to fill up at a Chevron whenever possible, just because of the Techron additive package. I have read a lot on the merits of Techron and motorcycles.

Another pet peeve of mine is that ethanol is added to all auto gas produced by the refineries in Washington up by Anacortes. Some of the small regional chains here say they get ethanol-free gas shipped in from the refineries in the Rocky Mountain states, but I have my doubts as to the consistency of supplies from there. The local stations listed on the pure gas website still have the ethanol stickers on their pumps, and the person behind the counter cannot tell you if ethanol-free gas is in their tanks or not.
I heard from an employee that works for one of chevrons competitors (at an actual terminal, not a gas station) that chevron's gasoline is better because of their additives. And that he uses it in his vehicles.

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If you read the Top tier website you will realize it wasn't' created by the Oil Companies but rather by Auto Manufacturers.

The minimum additive package that is mandated by the EPA in the USA relates to what was needed in engines Twenty Years ago (? not sure of the exact time-frame) and doesn't really meet what is required by modern engines. So the car companies got together and decided on a set of standards called top Tier.

I'm not sure that our bike engines need it but the additives are better at reducing deposits in the engine keeping injectors, etc clean. Given a choice I would always use it but wouldn't lose sleep if I couldn't find a top-tier station while riding.

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Here in Indiana, Indianapolis, all gas runs like crap !!! On the northwest side of town there is a Rock Island refinery which supplies gas to all brands. They all fill-up from the same rig. Since most all oil is now transported via underground pipe lines it all gets mixed up so you'll never truely get brand specific fuel.
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... On the northwest side of town there is a Rock Island refinery which supplies gas to all brands. They all fill-up from the same rig. Since most all oil is now transported via underground pipe lines it all gets mixed up so you'll never truely get brand specific fuel.
I've heard this often, too: that all gas comes from the same place/ refinery. Each retail brand just puts in their additive package.

Literally: tank truck pulls up to the refinery and fills up his 10,000gallons (or whatever). "Additive package" is in a 5 gal bucket he dumps in the top after filling up. He drives to the gas station, the 5 gal of additive are sloshing around mixing with the 10k gal. At the gas station, he dumps his truck's contents into the station's underground tanks, then heads back to the refinery to repeat the process... potentially for a different "brand" of gas.

Gas is a commodity - like wheat, or corn, or coal. One company's coal is not necessarily better than another's... especially if they're all mining the same vein.
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