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post #1 of 26 Old 07-26-2012, 03:25 PM Thread Starter
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Tool tube double as air tank for seating tire bead?

Looking around and after reading this
https://www.stromtrooper.com/general-...will-work.html

I got to thinking about a tool tube. The cap would have to be put on snug with Teflon tape and it would need a little fitting and hose work. Then, a $10 Slime pump could pressurize the tool tube and it could provide enough volume to seat a stubborn bead. Need to make sure the tube used the right material so it wouldn't grenade, such as PVC. It would be easier that carrying a can of starter fluid for the "explosive" seating.

Any thoughts or has anyone tried it?

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Just so we don't get into a pissin match like the previous thread...........Bill is talking about "seating a bead", not just inflating a patched tire. I often thought about (but never really figured it was possible, at least on the vstrom) to make the swingarm your "air tank". The swingarm would have to be completely sealed air-tight which would be hard to do around the axle adjustment areas.......and maybe swingarm pivot bolt area......but I'm sure the material is thick enough to hold larger PSI?? I've seen drag bikes with air-shifter tanks mounted on (and even built-into) swingarms. Something like this would be for the Adventurist traveling thru remote regions where service would not be available.......carrying a spare tire.........and able to change it with simple hand tools in "the bush". In this instance, I could see where an air tank would help "seat a bead" on the inside rim..........

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In theory it would work, not sure if I would like to carry around a pressurized canister on the bike though. Even the lower "class" PVC pipe is rated for 125lbs., Schedual 40 is over 600lbs., Schedual 80 (Gray ele. PVC) ? and SDR (Standard Dimensional Rate) PVC pressures vary as the wall thickness varies with the OD size of the pipe. I would think that all but the lower Class PVC would be fine for 120lbs.
Could always double as a potatoe gun though.

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4" schedule 40 PVC pipe is rated for 220psi up to 68*F, but only half that at 110*F...how hot can it get sitting in the sun on a 100+ day?

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I was thinking more in the line of minimum burst pressure for 4" PVC at around 700+lbs. Forgot about heat degredation and running pressures though.

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Yes, just seating a bead.

Actually, my idea was to pressure it up for each usage and not travel with it pressured. You would have to get your tools out to do the tire repair anyway. I probably would try seating it first with only the pump, but I didn't have any luck the other day and took it to the gas station.

It's just another tool if needed.

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When I didn't have access to a powerful enough compressor I used a ratchet tiedown around the circumference of the tire. It pushed the bead down and allowed the tire to pressurize enough to pop the bead. Took a little work to get it just right though.

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In theory it would work, not sure if I would like to carry around a pressurized canister on the bike though. Even the lower "class" PVC pipe is rated for 125lbs., Schedual 40 is over 600lbs., Schedual 80 (Gray ele. PVC) ? and SDR (Standard Dimensional Rate) PVC pressures vary as the wall thickness varies with the OD size of the pipe. I would think that all but the lower Class PVC would be fine for 120lbs.
Could always double as a potatoe gun though.
I have considered a "multi-use" air tank not so much to have the ability to seat a bead with a small compressor, as much as the ability to power a serious air horn. I would use PVC, if its sturdy enuf for a potatoe cannon its sturdy enuf as an air tank

fwiw the R is SDR stands for Ratio, not Rate, I have always learned that the D stood for Diameter (after all it is a ratio of the wall thickness to the outside diameter) but a quick search tells me that some people refer to SDR as Standard Dimension Ratio rather than Standard Diameter Ratio



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fwiw the R is SDR stands for Ratio, not Rate, I have always learned that the D stood for Diameter (after all it is a ratio of the wall thickness to the outside diameter) but a quick search tells me that some people refer to SDR as Standard Dimension Ratio rather than Standard Diameter Ratio
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I hope you have a very large tool tube and a lot of time to sit around and wait for it to pressurize. If not all you are going to get is a little "Pffft". A 3' long section of 4" PVC is only going to hold a couple of cubic feet of air at 120 psi. You might as well just hook the compressor to the tire and try it that way.

Oh, and unless you get that end cap a LOT more than just snug you don't want to be anywhere near it if it comes off when you get it up around 120 psi. There is a reason that we put concrete thrust blocking at every fitting in a water line, the energy in a pressurized system is not anything to play around with.

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