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post #1 of 16 Old 03-30-2012, 08:50 AM Thread Starter
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tire chain lubrication

I live on a dirt road making it difficult keeping my chain clean and well lubricated...please reframe from suggesting I move to the suburbs:smile:
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V-Tom is the local guru on chain life. He doesn't clean the chain at all but lubes it often. https://www.stromtrooper.com/off-topi...ance-rant.html is thread on the subject.

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V-Tom is the local guru on chain life. He doesn't clean the chain at all but lubes it often with Dupont Multi Purpose Dry Wax Lubricant with Teflon. It dries after application so doesn't attract dirt. https://www.stromtrooper.com/off-topi...ance-rant.html is thread on the subject.
Actually I use Wurth HHS2000. Never clean, lube after ever tank of gas and every rain ride. I ride on dirt/gravel roads often.

Using this principal for the first time I changed my chan with almost 75,000 km on it or 46,500 miles and it still had some useful life left on it. The chain I replaced it with has 55,800 km or about 35,000 miles and no sign of needing replacement. (It may never get replaced as a 2012 has stolen my heart.)

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Actually I use Wurth HHS2000. Never clean, lube after ever tank of gas and every rain ride. I ride on dirt/gravel roads often.

Using this principal for the first time I changed my chan with almost 75,000 km on it or 46,500 miles and it still had some useful life left on it. The chain I replaced it with has 55,800 km or about 35,000 miles and no sign of needing replacement. (It may never get replaced as a 2012 has stolen my heart.)

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Curious Tom, why Wurth HHS2000? Dupont Chain wax is cheaper (for what I can see)... Do you feel the HHS 2000 to be a better product?

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sorry bout the double post...newby here. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Sorry about the lube type mixup. The hard drive between my ears is full.

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I'll use a parts brush and kerosene on the chain occasionally prior to hosing the bike off. Then some Dupont chain saver with teflon. It's dry so the chain tends to stay cleaner riding on gravel/dirt unlike some other goos I've tried in the past. Also it's widely available. If there are no 'big stores' where you live it's available online. Also available in a smaller non aerosol container more suitable for touring.

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I live on a dirt road making it difficult keeping my chain clean and well lubricated...please reframe from suggesting I move to the suburbs:smile:
You might want to consider an automatic chain oiler like a Scottoiler. I have one and am very happy with it.
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Curious Tom, why Wurth HHS2000? Dupont Chain wax is cheaper (for what I can see)... Do you feel the HHS 2000 to be a better product?

I use it on the recommendation of my mechanic (Ted at Rosey Toes) who first told me how to make a chain last. From what I read the product is good stuff. I like that it is petroleum based since the lube in the chain is petroleum based. I like that it isn't a sticky thick "no fling" stuff" as my experience is that kind of stuff just cakes onto the chain and holds dirt in. The thinner oil-based stuff takes dirt away as it flings off but enough stays where it matters (between the chain plates in particular) to lube there.

I think the best solution is a chain oiler using an oil product but I'm too lazy to do that and the 20 seconds it takes me to lube a chain is vey easy to do; more so since I don't waste time "cleaning" the chain.

I did a survey a while back and noticed that most people got the same chain life whether they used traditional chain lubes, Teflon based, or did nothing. The only people that I heard of consistently got long chain life were those that used chain oilers. So lubing often if without a chain oiler makes sense. (Since then I have heard of at least one person getting decent chain life using Teflon, although I don't know of anyone that got near what I got unless they are using an auto chain luber with oil based product.)

From what I can see, cleaning the chain mainly is cosmetic as it doesn’t normally get in between the plate area, and if someone used an aggressive chain cleaning method (say with a brush) they risk damaging the O-rings and that could really kill chain life.

The only downside I can see with the HHS 2000 is it is messy, but I'll take a bit of mess and near 80,000 km/50,000 miles of chain life over a clean bike and replacing the chain in half the time.

Now, these are my opinions and what I have seen suggests I'm on the right track. There is lots of advice to be had when it comes to chain life

One thing would add is that when people tell you how to take care of your chain ask them how long their chain lasts.

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2012 DL650 139,500+ km, 86,700+ miles. Sold
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whiz, phone these folks: Schaeffer's Specialized Lube, (540) 381-5052, Christiansburg (I think that's near you). Ask if you can buy one can of Schaeffer's #227 Moly Roller Chain Lube (they might sell case lots only). It is a graphite and moly chain lube in an evaporating penetrating solvent that runs dry and doesn't hold dirt & grit. The DuPont Teflon stuff is probably an very good #2 choice.
http://www.schaefferoil.com/cmss_fil...Sheets/227.pdf

Remove the side cover over the front sprocket periodically (maybe every oil change?) and clean out the crud that builds up from chain lube and dirt.

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