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post #1 of 42 Old 09-25-2010, 10:18 PM Thread Starter
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Could have used ABS today

I have an 09 650 non-ABS and was riding about 70 in the high Sierras early this morning when a Bambi popped onto the road in front of me. Having mostly ridden ABS BMWs, my first instinct was to grab a fistful of front brake and stand on the rear, which of course immediately locked my rear and swung my tail sideways. Fortunately having ridden a lot of dirt I am familiar with the sensation of a locked rear and simply lifted off the rear and the back swung back behind me where it's supposed to be, and I missed the deer.

Reminded me of why ABS is a good idea. I'm not going to sell my bike and buy and ABS for that reason only, but I doubt I will buy another non-abs bike.

As an aside, I left my house at 6 AM at sea level and by 8 I was at 9,100 feet. I love the riding here in Central California.

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Isn't that a good way to highside? I can't stand those forest rats , I have heard of far too many people hurt due to them. Glad you are OK.

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I have an 09 650 non-ABS and was riding about 70 in the high Sierras early this morning when a Bambi popped onto the road in front of me. Having mostly ridden ABS BMWs, my first instinct was to grab a fistful of front brake and stand on the rear, which of course immediately locked my rear and swung my tail sideways. Fortunately having ridden a lot of dirt I am familiar with the sensation of a locked rear and simply lifted off the rear and the back swung back behind me where it's supposed to be, and I missed the deer.

Reminded me of why ABS is a good idea. I'm not going to sell my bike and buy and ABS for that reason only, but I doubt I will buy another non-abs bike.

As an aside, I left my house at 6 AM at sea level and by 8 I was at 9,100 feet. I love the riding here in Central California.

Nothing like a good rush of adrenaline to top off the morning.....
Glad it worked out OK.

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Your experience is exactly why my Wee is the ABS model. I also have some experience in the dirt but my reactions have been slowed by age and I need all the help I can get.

Glad you're safe. Be careful out there.

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Good save. As a dirt biker that's one of the harder transitions for me is to not release a sliding back tire. While it is no big deal on the dirt, it's a huge highside risk on the street. Not sure how you pulled it off, but I'm glad it worked out for you.

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I'm not going to sell my bike and buy and ABS for that reason only, but I doubt I will buy another non-abs bike.
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I live in deer country and my commute is right through ground zero in the dark AM hours. Non ABS also. The only real defense against them is going slow.
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The back will come back in line only if the front is traveling faster. That's an indication the front brake is not being applied to its full capability. Getting the rear in line is the usual result of the reflex action of releasing both brakes which prevents the high side. It isn't slowing the bike though. If you don't have ABS or practice emergency braking enough to do it properly as a reflex, it's probably better to use the front brake only in an emergency on the street. The extra braking power of the rear brake is small compared to the danger of locking it up. The best idea is to practice with both brakes to train your reflexes correctly.

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My last bike was a BMW with linked ABS brakes which means pulling the front brake distributed braking power appropriately to front and rear. So all I ever had to do was grab a handful of front brake and hang on.

but then again my last bike cost $20k and required a dealer service every 6k for several hundred dollars, so it all kinda works out in the wash.

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The back will come back in line only if the front is traveling faster. That's an indication the front brake is not being applied to its full capability. Getting the rear in line is the usual result of the reflex action of releasing both brakes which prevents the high side...
Sorry, but I really want to understand your comment!

Are you saying that if the front brakes are NOT applied AT ALL, you can release a locked, skidding, swung-around back without a violent (high-side-inducing) rear end correction?

I thought the high-side impulse happens because releasing the brake on the locked rear makes it suddenly re-gain traction - and therefor right itself by "coming back in line" (very violently and abruptly) with the front. Why does the traction of the back end care whether the front is braking or not?
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