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post #1 of 26 Old 09-16-2010, 04:21 PM Thread Starter
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IIHS Study on ABS on Motorcycles

Found an interesting study release by Insurance Institute on Highway Safety on ABS effects on fatality rates of motorcycle accidents. You can link it here ; IIHS news release

Looks like ABS equipped bikes had about 37% reduction in risk for a fatal and 22% reduction for injuries. Several other studies at the link of interest. The IIHS seems to be calling for requiring ABS on all bikes in the future.

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I really hate the IIHS. As much as I like ABS, this is one more case of pseudo science. This situation completely ignores the fact that people more interested in safety will buy bikes with ABS. An ABS bike has a higher chance of having a rider who is safety conscious. That's just one difference not accounted for.

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IIHS......remember the superbike ban they wanted?

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I really hate the IIHS. As much as I like ABS, this is one more case of pseudo science. This situation completely ignores the fact that people more interested in safety will buy bikes with ABS. An ABS bike has a higher chance of having a rider who is safety conscious. That's just one difference not accounted for.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

A flawed study (or reporting of that study) that doesn't take into account other reasons for the shift.

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I really hate the IIHS. As much as I like ABS, this is one more case of pseudo science. This situation completely ignores the fact that people more interested in safety will buy bikes with ABS. An ABS bike has a higher chance of having a rider who is safety conscious. That's just one difference not accounted for.
+1.

Repeat after me: Correlation does not equal causation.

I'll add that this doesn't mean this correlation is useless -- insurance companies can and do set rates based merely on correlations. What this is not is justification for policymaking, which would (ironically) change those very correlations.

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p.s. Did you notice that their facts are even wrong? Says the "V-Strom 650" has standard ABS. (Don't I wish.)

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I really hate the IIHS. As much as I like ABS, this is one more case of pseudo science. This situation completely ignores the fact that people more interested in safety will buy bikes with ABS. An ABS bike has a higher chance of having a rider who is safety conscious. That's just one difference not accounted for.
Amen.

Look at the facts...most BMW riders are ATGATT fanatics, and they all have ABS. Most Harley riders I see are wearing a dew rag and flip-flops, and have no ABS. Now which is going to do better in a crash? Is it because of ABS?

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Amen.

Look at the facts...most BMW riders are ATGATT fanatics, and they all have ABS. Most Harley riders I see are wearing a dew rag and flip-flops, and have no ABS. Now which is going to do better in a crash? Is it because of ABS?
IIHS primarily does research for insurance companies. I happen to agree with them on supersport bikes. Supersports shouldn't be legal on road anymore than a nascar vehicle is legal on-road. Anyway, BMWs are not included in their study. The ABS vs non-ABS bikes studied were only those that could be determined via VIN. Since suzuki has an ABS included VIN characteristic that is distinct from the non ABS VIN, it is included.

Whoever said it is correct that this is not causation, but it is enough for me as an insurance pricing actuary to recommend, file and get approved an ABS discount for motorcycle insurance. That said, I'm willing to bet that if you put ABS on all street bikes, you would reduce accident frequency. I still don't think it should be MANDATED, but I bet it would work.

As for the bike model listing, it says for 2010 bikes and is wrong all over the place. My only guess is that they pulled the canadian offerings for suzuki, since there were none in the US. GSX650F ABS isn't available in the US, Gladius ABS not available in the US and a few others.

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IIHS primarily does research for insurance companies. I happen to agree with them on supersport bikes. Supersports shouldn't be legal on road anymore than a nascar vehicle is legal on-road. Anyway, BMWs are not included in their study. The ABS vs non-ABS bikes studied were only those that could be determined via VIN. Since suzuki has an ABS included VIN characteristic that is distinct from the non ABS VIN, it is included.

I have to disagree here, while I do not own, nor have I ever owned a Supersport bike, that doesn't mean they should be made illegal. There are plenty of cars now capable of doing 160-200 mph and they seem to be getting more HP every year, Shelby Mustang GT's, ZR1 and Z06 Vettes, Z28, Dodge Viper, etc... I could go on and on. Why is it okay to have a hyperperformance supercar and not a bike? The car is more of a danger to the general public than a bike, i.e., more collateral damage. A bike crash is usually only fatal to the rider.

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I think linked ABS should be mandatory on Harley's, that way when they stomp on the rear brake in an emergency situation, it will automaticly apply the front brake for them
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