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post #1 of 13 Old 05-31-2010, 05:01 PM Thread Starter
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Mud/Wet/Street tire question

Okay, I have read the excrement out of everything I can find on here, ADV, and ThumperTalk...

I think I have narrowed it down to the TKC-80 and Karoo T sets.

My use will be mostly street, and much of the time that street is wet up here in the PNW. However, I absolutely demand decent performance in Mud... (because we have that up here too)

I understand tread life is crap on both of these, but that is not a massive consideration since they seem to be within range of each other.

The question I still can't seem to get a concrete answer on is which would be better on wet tarmac and still perform decent in the mud?





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Not sure about those. A friend has the TKC-80s on his Vee. They look great, but h they don't last. He seems to slow down a lot in the rain, but that could be because the center of the treads are wearing low, still there but low.

Just FYI, I'm running the Shinko 705s and love them in everything. Not sure if they're available again yet, but I've heard sometime in June. Might be worth checking them out. That's just my opinion.
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Just FYI, I'm running the Shinko 705s and love them in everything. Not sure if they're available again yet, but I've heard sometime in June. Might be worth checking them out. That's just my opinion.
I realize you just said "everything", but how much mud does that include?

The reason I ask is I just had my OEM trailwing rear end slip out from underneath me in the mud. I don't like that and don't want it to happen again, so I am getting tires that can handle it...

Those 705s look good, but similar to trailwings, so my fear would be they are no better than what I have right now.

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I've ran 3 sets of Karoo Ts (my last set were drilled & studded for winter use) and I am now on my first set of TKCs, I only got the TKCs cause the Karoo s meant a longer delivery date and my rear tire was down to cords

I originally went with Karoo Ts cause they were relatively unknown in reviews and I wanted to see if they might last longer which I found they did if you put them up to Metzlers recommended pressures for the V-strom

my first set at 35psi f/r lasted about 4500-5000 miles front was worn like a sawblade, rear was evenly worn, secont set, I found the recomendations on the Metzler website for 2.9 bar rear and 2.6 bar front (42/38) that set lasted me 7500 miles, front was worn evenly, as was the rear

I've never ridden much in the wet with them cause I had them on in the winter, but they are good in snow

except for real low speed on pavement, you can't tell your running knobbies

I've only had the TKCs for about 500 miles but I do feel they vibrate more

But everyones tire experience is different, BlackLab tried a set of Karoo Ts based on my review and was unimpressed with only 3500 miles and uneven wear

I do run high pressure and don't air down for dirt



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+1 on Shinko 705s.

They are noticeably better than the trailwings on gravel and light mud. They are also very good on tarmac either wet or dry. I doubt they will be as good as knobbies in pure mud, but if it is occasional mud, I think you might like them. The trailwings are AWFUL on any wet dirt.

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I just have to say that when it comes to tires, the opinions of others carry very little weight with me. The most important aspect in the performance of any tire is the rider, first and foremost. A good rider can run any tire in any conditions.

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I just have to say that when it comes to tires, the opinions of others carry very little weight with me. The most important aspect in the performance of any tire is the rider, first and foremost. A good rider can run any tire in any conditions.
Well I am a shitty rider and don't have a bottomless pocketbook for tires, so do you have any suggestions of what a poor shitty rider should use on wet tarmac that is still good in the mud?

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I hate to be a wet blanket, but even TKC-80's suck in the mud. Especially on a big quasi-street bike. They'll be better than most tires, but once they load up you're going to have squat for traction.

The Shinko 705, although not as aggressive looking as a TKC performs just as well in my experience in loose dirt and mud. I've run them through some slop and they work...not great, mind you, it's still a loose goose but I can do it.

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Okay, I have read the excrement out of everything I can find on here, ADV, and ThumperTalk...

I think I have narrowed it down to the TKC-80 and Karoo T sets.

My use will be mostly street, and much of the time that street is wet up here in the PNW. However, I absolutely demand decent performance in Mud... (because we have that up here too)

I understand tread life is crap on both of these, but that is not a massive consideration since they seem to be within range of each other.

The question I still can't seem to get a concrete answer on is which would be better on wet tarmac and still perform decent in the mud?





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Well everyones definition of mud is different but.....
I can tell you TKC's do just fine in mud.
These pics were done with TKC's and the rear only had a few mm of tread left. Even going up hills, with plenty of tire speed there was plenty of traction.

BUT... The rear tires traction will be the least of your worries.
With much of any mud at all you will need to remove your front fender or you will clog it up in no time and lock up your front wheel, then usually breaking your fender in the process.
The strom is heavy and in heavy mud will want to slip on its side pretty fast. Keeping your feet low and dabbing the ground to keep things upright is key.

Remove your fork brace to if you use one before going into prolonged mud.
Even with both removed in really tacky mud it will wad up around the forks and stop your tire from turning eventually. I just let it lock up and keep the throttle rolling. :mrgreen:

Shinko 705's are ok if your not really getting into much mud.
In the conditions in these pics they are worthless and will leave you stranded. I just ran 705's on my trip to the east coast. They were the first non knobbies i've ran on the bike since the 90 mile trip home with the stockers.

I've run more a more aggressive rear(Mitas E-09) on the rear and the TKC's are a good compromise tire. Decent in mud but much smoother on the slab.

If your not really going to do much mud then 705's will be smoother, much cheaper and last longer.






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oh... i usually get between 5-6000 miles out of a set of TKC's.

Mileage varies A LOT between riders. Prolonged riding on hot slab will wear them fast. Knobbies are more apt to slip under accleration and wear faster if you run it hard from a stop on slab as well.

My best set was 6800 miles and my worst was 5300.

I've seen posts of 2500 miles and 8600 miles. so how long they last is up to you.

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