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post #1 of 38 Old 04-29-2010, 10:34 AM Thread Starter
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Excellent video argument for ATGATT - esp. helmets

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post #2 of 38 Old 04-29-2010, 10:51 AM
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What...you mean the way the guy totally face-planted (helmet), or tried to stop himself sliding with his bare hands (gloves), or perhaps the way his shoulders skidded across the pavement (leather vest instead of a full jacket)...?

Atleast the rider closest to the camera was wearing a full-face. 1/2 or 3/4 helmet and his jaw would either be pretty rashed up. The real kicker is when the second rider's bike's saddlebag nails the first rider in the back of the head (Between seconds 00:04 and 00:05, or 00:10 and 00:12 in slow-mo).

Edit: Hmm...locked front on the first rider, causing the second to panic and slam on his too?

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That video exemplifies the reason why I look like a freakin' astronaut when I ride. ATGATT makes it uncomfortable when riding in warmer weather (which is why I'm kinda glad I live in Oregon, despite the rain) but I still wear all my gear, all the time no matter what.

Sweat is a lot easier to deal with than road rash and broken bones.

That video also shows why riding in close formation looks good in movies but may not be such a great idea on the road. You can't escape basic physics and the limits of human reaction times. Well, Tim Allen and John Travolta might be able to, but I can't.

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I'm still trying to figure out how both riders could go down at the same time on a straight road that appears to be debris free...
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I'm still trying to figure out how both riders could go down at the same time on a straight road that appears to be debris free...
Can't say for sure, but I'd bet $100 that the second bike touched the first bike...probably front tire to rear tire. I've seen it happen before in "cruiser parades."

I wish I knew how to do video edits. You could make an awesome break-dancing video with that reversing part.

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Can't say for sure, but I'd bet $100 that the second bike touched the first bike...probably front tire to rear tire. I've seen it happen before in "cruiser parades."

I wish I knew how to do video edits. You could make an awesome break-dancing video with that reversing part.
If you watch more closely you'll see that they have some distance between them...no touching occured. Looks more like a locked brake, causing him to low-side (he falls to the side, and off the bike), the bike bounces off the ground, front wheel corrects now that there is no braking applied to the front, and continues on without the rider.

Second rider sees first rider panic stop, reacts poorly, and does the same...had to lay 'er down.

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I don't think there was bike to bike contact before the loss of control began. My guess is the two crash bikes went down due to panicking and locking their brakes. There is a puff of smoke from the tires before the first crashed bike went down.

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I'm still trying to figure out how both riders could go down at the same time on a straight road that appears to be debris free...
+1

If the first pirate to go down locked his brakes, WTF was he breaking in response to? There's nothing in front of him, he's not going to fast for a non-existent turn, nothing on the road... Really random-looking crash.
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It's possible the front rider had a sudden mechanical failure. It doesn't appear he did anything or hit anything. Could his front or back brake have spontaneously locked up? Would a broken chain cause that kind of action in the bike? What if his engine seized and locked the rear tire? It didn't appear he had a blow-out on the front or rear tire.

There appears to be a puff of smoke as if the back tire was locked up.

If the second rider hadn't been so close he arguably would have been able to stop or swerve out of the way and avoided the accident altogether.

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I figure the lead crasher was looking at the camera and panicked when he saw brake lights on the lead bikes. The lead bikes would be pulling over to allow the camera operator to get back in the group after the photo run.

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