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post #1 of 15 Old 04-22-2010, 11:55 AM Thread Starter
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Good News: Motorcycle Deaths Down - So What's the Bad News?

Saw this AP story in the local paper:

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/...04220503?tc=ar

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When the economy drops, the fair-weather, weekend-warrior, shouldn't be on a bike anyway folks are the only ones that stop riding. Coincidence that the death rate goes down when they stop riding? Hardley. (get it? Hardley? Ha! I kill myself)

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Vaguely recall an article from some community some time back with the same finding: motorcycle accidents were way down. It was either when gas hit $4/ gal or when the economy took a dump - can't remember which - but the conclusion was that many more people were on two wheels as a result of either the gas price or the economy.

One might expect that with MORE people on two wheels, they'd be MORE moto accidents. They went down, instead, because a bigger chunk of people having a scoot in their lives made them better drivers when they were in the cage. They suddenly started noticing bikes while they were driving.
 
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I think that study is not valid; not from what I read in that article.
I'll have to see the original source though, instead of going by a news article, but it seems that they just looked at the raw number of deaths, without relating it to number of registered motorcycles or kilometres driven.
The speculations are interesting though.

The statistics I am looking at suggest no change in the averages since the 1970s. We're still having the same crashes as we were back then. We die less than before in the lower speed crashes, but we are having more high-speed crashes (most of which are lethal), so the overall averages haven't changed.

Instead of looking at the number of deaths, they should look at the number of deaths per motorcycle kilometer, and at least break it down between urban and non urban areas, but hey, that's what I'm here for, right?
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Instead of looking at the number of deaths, they should look at the number of deaths per motorcycle kilometer
This is a report on roads in the U.S. I don't think we have these "motorcycle killometers" here in the states, so our data may not be so accurate.

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Aw Norm,
They could do it in deaths per motorcycle-mile then; I can multiply by 1.6 if I have to...
Motorcycle-km (kilometre or kilomile) can be averaged from survey results.

I'm used to most reports coming from the US, they (NHTSA) keep half-decent records of the crashes, and most of the data I work with comes from their FARS.

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Stastistics lie and liars use stastistics
Sound like the jaundiced words of experience.

I'd have copied and pasted some of the stuff I found here and claim it as my own, but I'm too lazy even for plagiarism:

http://www.quotegarden.com/statistics.html

There's a quote that I was thinking of about "lies, damnable lies and statistic" but I can't recall the attribution. Was it Mark Twain?

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Stastistics lie and liars use stastistics
That is true, they can be twisted to support any point you want to make. That's why I always try to crunch my own numbers.
One has to be especially careful when dealing with industry-supported research; often if the numbers can't be twisted to the sponsor's liking, the research doesn't get published.

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Amen...

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