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post #1 of 20 Old 09-18-2009, 06:33 AM Thread Starter
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Well folks I gotta own up, I've been really enjoying riding my Africa Twin and VFR lately. So much so that the VStrom battery ran down and I had to charge her.

I rode her today I think for the first time in about 6 weeks. I know, I know, shame on me. Well it was a good time to take stock in the VStrom and decide if I am going to keep her. It was a good time to compare and find out why I like the Twin and VFR so much.

So I made a mental list of the differences, and what I like and don't like about the DL1000, now at just around 8,000 kms on her clock.

Good: VStrom takes off like a rocket, big power everywhere. Engine is super smooth, transmission easy shifting, clutch is very smooth, seat is very posh, and brakes (4 pot front conversion) are excellent.

Bad: The VStrom bucks, surges, and hesitates and spits when trying to cruise at anything below 3 grand. At 3 or above it's silky smooth. In other words it sucks around town and in traffic.

I hate to say it, but I guess I gotta be realistic. The reason why I love my Africa Twin and VFR so much is they have carbs, good carbs, smooth running at any rev carbs, easy riding around town carbs, gotta love them. God I love them.

So here it is, should I keep the VStrom and put a Power Commander on her or should I just sell the stinky beast and keep the two carbed bikes that I have.

It never bothered me that much until I re-experienced how much smoother a bike with carbs can be.

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post #2 of 20 Old 09-18-2009, 06:45 AM
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I'd hate for you to sell your VStrom Jim...or stop making sweet stuff for our bikes...so my vote is for the PowerCommander!!!

Does your bike have an 02 sensor?

If so, do the new PCV, and it'll tune itself realtime via it's wideband 02.

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Install the Gilprow/tre.
What a difference.
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one of the reasons i love my v strom 650 is it runs smooth as silk at low rpm . every bike ive had with carbs ran rough when cold . i can fire up my wee and ride away with out any coughs or sputters regardless of the outside temperature . all the bikes ive had with carbs ran poorly at altitude where as my wee runs the same as at sea level .

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If it were me I'd just downshift a notch or two and stop lugging the bike. It's got a 9.5k redline, why sell the bike or spend money on a powercommander just so you can putter around below 3k? It's a sportbike derived motor, let it spin.

I'm not trying to be a [email protected]$$ or insulting. I see a lot of people spending a lot of money trying to "fix" a problem that can be solved just by running in a lower gear.

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If it were me I'd just downshift a notch or two and stop lugging the bike. It's got a 9.5k redline, why sell the bike or spend money on a powercommander just so you can putter around below 3k? It's a sportbike derived motor, let it spin.

Maybe because it shouldn't be doing it? Why Suzuki chose to make the 1000 so lean from idle to 2700 RPM's is really confusing to me. My C14 is actually running rich at those RPM's, hence why folks don't need a PCIII or PCV when they add a slip on. My fueling is perfectly dialed in from the factory, so I can understand why Jim is so fond of his sweet running carbed bikes.

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Maybe because it shouldn't be doing it? Why Suzuki chose to make the 1000 so lean from idle to 2700 RPM's is really confusing to me. My C14 is actually running rich at those RPM's, hence why most folks don't need a PCIII or PCV when they add a slip on. My fueling is perfectly dialed in from the factory, so I can understand why Jim is so fond of his sweet running carbed bikes.
I understand that, but again... the bike is perfectly happy running at a slightly higher RPM, it isn't hurting anything, and doesn't it cost a few hundred $$ to step on a lever.

BTW, the last bike I owned before the Vee was a carbed VFR:


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Install the Gilprow/tre.
What a difference.
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What effect does the Gilprow TRE have on engine roughness? On performance?

Unlike the OP's, my V-Strom is rough between 3,500 and 4,000 rpms (in warm to hot weather only) and smooth at and below 3,000, except for sixth gear, of course.

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Well, I'll address a few replies:

First, a TRE has no effect - except maybe in top gear at speeds that are dangerous. I couldn't care less about hyper speeds.

In normal traffic it's not really possible to always run above 3,000 rpm. I'd be in 1st gear too much, and the bike is a bitch to ride smoothly in that gear. In 2nd I'd be going too fast. Who the hell wants to run in 1st gear in traffic all the time? Why should I have to worry about it?

When I first got my VStrom I was giving the same advice - just keep it above 3,000. This is not a problem out on the open road but in traffic it IS a problem, and a big one. I have to work to keep it from sputtering, bucking, etc. With my carbed bikes I can putt putt along in any gear I want with super smoothness and very little work and I like that.

My bike is a Euro 2007 model and it has the O2 sensor, cats, etc. so perhaps a PCV would be the best solution. Cost a bit but would it give me the smoothness that I want?

Face it, I've got two other sweet and smooth running bikes out front...

Oh one more thing - I won't ever stop supporting VStrom products, needs, and the community, no worries there, even if I do sell the VStrom.

A few more points about the VStrom - it's a bit trickier to ride on some of the twisties around here. There's often gravel etc and coming off a corner I have to be really careful with the VStrom's throttle. Even then I've stepped out the rear wheel way too many times. Don't get me wrong I love big power at times, but the reality is these roads I like to ride aren't suited to big power. I can crank my 58 HP Africa Twin around these twisties way, way faster than the VStrom without fear of the rear braking loose hammering it off a corner.

So what do I do with the VStrom even with a PCV? It would certainly be the best for any kind of real touring because the VFR doesn't do bags well and the lean over ergos would be a pain after a long day in the saddle.

I can afford to keep the VStrom even if I don't use it much but it hurts me to see a bike sit for long. It needs new tires, so adding a PCV and new tires would cost me about $1000 to keep it.

I hope there are some people out there reading this who are wondering whether to get the Vee or the Wee. I never thought I'd say this but I should have got the Wee. There, I said it.

Before I make any decisions I'd really like to know, truthfully, will a PCV make my bike super smooth at all revs? I don't care if it adds a couple HP, or whatever else it does like reduce mileage, I need to know if it will make the DL1000 an easy to live with bike in traffic.

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