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post #1 of 24 Old 09-17-2009, 08:07 PM Thread Starter
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I say no issue, friend says issue: metal flakes on oil plug

2003 DL1000 with 61,947 miles
Changed my oil today, always use synthetic blend, always use K&N gold oil filter and always change oil at 5000 miles.
I pull the oil plug and see 3 small silver in color slithers of metal hanging onto the magnet that is in the plug.
I say typical, buddy who wonders why I change my own oil says ISSUE on a motor with over 60,000 miles.

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post #2 of 24 Old 09-17-2009, 09:55 PM
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Powder is typical. Little pieces are not. Whether there is a real problem, only time will tell.

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Based mosty on long term experience examining oil screens and filters on airplane engines...most all of the engines I have dealt with showed some very small particles at every oil change. As long as the particles were very small and there was no change to speak of between changes then I have always considered things as OK. The warning sign is when there is a change in either the size or amount of particles from previous inspections. A "sliver" would be suspect...in the case of an airplane where the stakes are somewhat higher, I would probably pull the filter/screen again after 5 hours of operation and take a look. From there on it would be a judgement call as to what I did next, depending on what was found. In the case of a bike when finding several slivers on the plug where there had been none before I would next cut the filter apart and see what was inside. If there is a problem, it will most probably show up in the filter as metal deposits there.(I have never seen ANY metal on my KLR filter, which is the only one i have ever paid any attention to) I would probably inspect the plug/filter at short intervals(say 500 miles) depending on how suspicious I was. It could be a random event, it could be something coming apart. Time will tell. If you continue to find particles you might want to send an oil sample for analysis to one of the labs to see what's going on. I would probably stay a little closer to home til I knew for sure what is going on. Good luck with that. Joe
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Pieces of steel (hanging on the magnet) from what? Besides the crank, con rod, rings, valve train items, what is made of steel that can contaminate the oil in slivers?


remember, the transmission shares the same oil

most likely imho, the particles are from the transmission,

also imho, not a big deal



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they were

They were a sliver, a sliver and another sliver. I should have brought the plug in and took a picture of them. They looked like they could easily be a painful splinter in your finger...........
Sliver equals Worried after I've been reading our posts and then googling the subject. Google searches seem to bring up a 50/50 on whether this is a normal thing.
I'm grabbing the filter and I'm going to open it up tonight.

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Unless you notice a difference in sounds coming from the motor or tranny, or if she is suffering in performance, I wouldn't worry about it either. As a precaution, Rockydog2 has some good advice in checking the drain plug and filter frequently, and I wouldn't let it go another 5k.

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Old transmission shop trick: "Sir, we changed your fluid and found slivers. We're gonna have to rebuild it before it causes you problems"

In fact, particles and some slivers are normal in car transmissions. Could be the same in bikes, I suspect.

I like the idea of running it and then checking again reasonably soon to see if you get more, and if so, how they compare.

But then, you're talking to a guy who managed to break the housing on the clutch cylinder. Take my advice in context.

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[QUOTE=randyo;465115]remember, the transmission shares the same oil




That's a good point.
A sliver could also indicate a trans bearing problem, or something similar. Or nothing. Whatever it turns out to be, if anything, I wouldn't want to find out for sure what it is halfway to Tierra del Fuego
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have an oil sample done, it will tell you whats in the oil thats not supposed to be there. Average oil sample test is about $30.00 and well worth the money. I've had lab techs predict how much longer a failing engine would last and be within about 2000 miles of the failure, and on a semi truck and thats only like 3 days of driving.
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Opening the filter

Any suggestions on how to open the filter. My initial thought was to try and break the weld/seam where the threads are on the filter...without causing metal from the filter case falling into it. The seam didn't budge....second thought was to cut it.....my dremel tool is at the new house (I move in one week!)......so then comes my dumb thought.....hydraulic jack, two small boards and the frame on the GMC Envoy....jack, board, filter, board, truck....hoping it would split it open cleanly....home made hydraulic press!
Well........

No kidding, it lifted the front tire off the ground with little cosmetic damage to the filter....yes cosmetic, it appears I could place the filter back on the bike and it would seal and hold oil....no holes, no cracks, no splits.

"Dear K&N, your filter is built like a tank!"

I have more building to do on the new house.....so I'll break out the dremel unless you have a better idea. I found a filter cutter tool on google 4sale....but I haven't cut open a filter in 38 years of life so they can keep their tool.

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