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post #1 of 34 Old 11-17-2019, 12:18 AM Thread Starter
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Big guys and stock suspension?

I weigh 250 and noticed on an Africa Twin there was plenty of front-end dive. Going on a forum I was told that I'd have to have springs replaced. Didn't notice this on a BMW, but that of course has other issues.

What about the V-Strom? I've never ridden one, but the specs and reviews are great. Plus I have an old friend who still raves about the 650 he had years ago.

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Compared to some other cycles, the V-Strom 650 / 1000 have a 'big frame' IMHO, so either engine size should have plenty of room for you 'with some mods' to the 'Golden Triangle' where you contact the cycle: feet / butt / hands.

There are several discussions on here about spring rates / measurements / adjustments / custom builders.
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The front suspension on the DL650 is antiquated damper rod fork technology. Yes you will experience front end dive in stock form no matter what your weight is. The fix is to add so aftermarket internal valving like Ricor intimidators. I had 2 DR650 (same fork tech as the DL650) at the same time. I put Ricors in one and Gold Valves in the others + sprung and fork oil properly for my weigh and riding styles. The Ricor's did a much better job at reducing front end dive whereas the GV's were better off road.


Depending on the BMW you had if it was a telelever that is why you did not notice front end dive as this suspension set up really does a great job at mitigating it.

Back to the DL to get the most out of the front end I'd look at:

Springs to suite you weight riding style
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Then once the front reworked you now most likely notice the rear is deficient and it too needs reworked.

DL's are great bikes in a lot of ways, mostly cost of entry. They are inexpensive to buy new or used and this appeals to lots of folks. The problem is once folks ride them a little they realize the shortcomings and then spend a fortune trying to correct them or to bring the bike to a higher spec. It is also common to buy farkles a little at a time so spread the costs out over a long timeframe making it seem not so bad. But it all adds up and in the end a lot of times they'll will have spent more trying to get the DL into the modern era vs just being a higher spec. bike to begin with. Its not hard to buy a new DL and then add $3,000 or $4,000 dollars to it trying to grab the golden ring.
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Plan on spending at least $2,500 on suspension.

You could also consider some bikes with electronic suspension like the Africa Twin Adventure Sports 1100 or Versys 1000 LT SE+.

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It is also common to buy farkles a little at a time so spread the costs out over a long timeframe making it seem not so bad. But it all adds up and in the end a lot of times they'll will have spent more trying to get the DL into the modern era vs just being a higher spec. bike to begin with. Its not hard to buy a new DL and then add $3,000 or $4,000 dollars to it trying to grab the golden ring.
$6062.20 Canadian loonies into farkles for mine And I could probably still add another $2,000. I'd like the MC Cruise control system, center stand, skid plate and chain oiler.

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$6062.20 Canadian loonies into farkles for mine And I could probably still add another $2,000. I'd like the MC Cruise control system, center stand, skid plate and chain oiler.
Have a 2012 Vee and have been keeping track of extras as well. Some mechanical and electronic extras for some $1K CDN. Have the suspension being redone, another $3K Cdn - Andriani front fork cartridges and a Nitron R2 rear shock. New bike or used, we all spend extra money to make the bike fit and be ours. Would like cruise as well.
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It is also common to buy farkles a little at a time so spread the costs out over a long timeframe making it seem not so bad. But it all adds up and in the end a lot of times they'll will have spent more trying to get the DL into the modern era vs just being a higher spec. bike to begin with. Its not hard to buy a new DL and then add $3,000 or $4,000 dollars to it trying to grab the golden ring.
$6062.20 Canadian loonies into farkles for mine <img src="https://www.stromtrooper.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /> And I could probably still add another $2,000. I'd like the MC Cruise control system, center stand, skid plate and chain oiler.
what the heck you've done to it that cost you over $6000? And still short of center stand, skid plate etc.?
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I weigh 250 and noticed on an Africa Twin there was plenty of front-end dive. Going on a forum I was told that I'd have to have springs replaced. Didn't notice this on a BMW, but that of course has other issues.

What about the V-Strom? I've never ridden one, but the specs and reviews are great. Plus I have an old friend who still raves about the 650 he had years ago.

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Manufacturers set up suspension for an "average" rider, 170 lbs or so. So yeah at 250 the springs should be replaced to get the sag in the proper range.

You don't have to spend a lot of money though. You could just put heavier oil in the forks and crank the preload on the shock. Ride the bike for awhile and see if you can live with it like that.

You could throw money at the bike sure but it's perfectly serviceable as is. Depends on your background. I was coming off a KLR 650 when I got my 650 Strom. It was a big upgrade in power, brakes and suspension!
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Manufacturers set up suspension for an "average" rider, 170 lbs or so. So yeah at 250 the springs should be replaced to get the sag in the proper range.

You don't have to spend a lot of money though. You could just put heavier oil in the forks and crank the preload on the shock. Ride the bike for awhile and see if you can live with it like that.

You could throw money at the bike sure but it's perfectly serviceable as is. Depends on your background. I was coming off a KLR 650 when I got my 650 Strom. It was a big upgrade in power, brakes and suspension!
Doesn't the KLR use damper rod forks? If so how are they different from the DL650 ones. Heavier weight fork oil and springs in damper rod forks only address part of the equation. A fixed hole in a damper rod is extremely limiting. Inexpensive to produce but bit ineffective in it ability to adjust to the ever changing conditions.
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Doesn't the KLR use damper rod forks? If so how are they different from the DL650 ones. Heavier weight fork oil and springs in damper rod forks only address part of the equation. A fixed hole in a damper rod is extremely limiting. Inexpensive to produce but bit ineffective in it ability to adjust to the ever changingg conditions.

Yea I know that but the Strom's forks worked better. Better tuned to the bike maybe, don't know.

Millions of motorcycles were produced with damper rod forks. Millions of miles ridden. They work not as nice as cartridge forks of course but they're rideable.

The 650 forks don't have to be upgraded. Or the brakes, or the shock, or the seat, etc.

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