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post #1 of 24 Old 06-10-2019, 09:09 AM Thread Starter
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does new v-strom 1000 require premium gas?

I mean I am close to buying that bike but this concerns me a bit,
why 650 can run on poor gas and 1000 cannot?
Does it mean if I ride to Africa on 1000xt will the engine still work?
Or maybe there is some dongle to plug in like KTM uses to make it work?
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post #2 of 24 Old 06-10-2019, 09:46 AM
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If by "premium" you mean higher octane fuel then the answer is no. USA 86 octane or the equivalent will suffice.

Riding to 3rd world countries I'd imagine finding clean fuel is more of a worry verses finding an suitable octane rating.
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My manual for my Canadian 2015 DL1000 says to use 90 octane (AKI). That is roughly the same as 96 octane in Europe (don't know about Africa's ratings). I normally use 91 here in Canada.

Having said that there are times when traveling that there was no 91 or higher fuel available an it runs just fine on regular (87 octane.). I do avoid higher throttle settings at lower revs when running lower octane though.

The 2018+ DL1000 meets newer emission standards which might make it more fussy about fuel than mine.

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The only way the newer DL's would require higher octane fuel is if Suzuki increased the compression ratio.
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The only way the newer DL's would require higher octane fuel is if Suzuki increased the compression ratio.
There is more to it than just compression ration.

The 2014+ DL1000 makes much more torque at lower RPM's than first gen models. This means higher cylinder pressure at lower rpm which can make detonation (knocking or singing) more likely. That's why I avoid higher throttle at lower revs when running regular gas.

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There is more to it than just compression ratio. Flame front propagation has a lot to do with detonation. The 2014+ DL 1000 has a larger bore. Which means a different piston. Don't know about combustion chamber design or camshaft changes, but the larger bore and different piston might mean they ran into detonation under some extreme condition and decided to call for premium fuel. To be safe. To cover their ass.

If all I could get was 86 octane up in the mountains, that is what would go in it. But I would probably run premium otherwise. Just to be completely safe.

There are plenty of reports of owners running 87 octane in them with no ill effects.
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There is more to it than just compression ration.

The 2014+ DL1000 makes much more torque at lower RPM's than first gen models. This means higher cylinder pressure at lower rpm which can make detonation (knocking or singing) more likely. That's why I avoid higher throttle at lower revs when running regular gas.

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My Valkyrie 1500 is nothing but TORQUE at lower RPM or any RPM, wonder why then it doesn't need premium?
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Yep, manual calls for 90+ octane (PON/AKI), so I run 91 in the new bike.

As V-Tom and realshelby have stated, lower octane can be used, but I would make it the exception not the rule, and I would follow V-Tom's advice on low rpm load.

Since I'm a bit of an oil and additive nerd, I would run Techron, Gumout or other quality PEA additive through a fill up regularly if there was a probability of using lower octane fuel. Carbon buildup can be a trigger to detonation.

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My Valkyrie 1500 is nothing but TORQUE at lower RPM or any RPM, wonder why then it doesn't need premium?
9.8 compression ratio is your answer there. Displacement over cylinder pressure wins!
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9.8 compression ratio is your answer there. Displacement over cylinder pressure wins!
Makes sense....and Dolores does have her some displacement. How you liking that new toy, when you gonna come back down this way to see us?
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