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post #1 of 66 Old 04-06-2019, 11:55 AM Thread Starter
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why oil change twice as often as e.g. honda?

6k km (3k+ miles) seems really lame comparing to 12k in honda adventure bike, or even yamaha.
How is that engine different? just curious.
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Many maintenance schedules are not formulated with ultimate engine longevity in mind. An advertising advantage, lower consumer cost, and amount of waste oil generated in the expected life of the vehicle plays a part in this as well.
Oil is inexpensive compared to an oil-related failure, and if I had to pick one over the other, I'd change oil earlier that what is recommended by the manufacturer. The impression I get from talking to vehicle service reps is that after the warranty period they arent much interested how long your vehicle lasts.
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Many maintenance schedules are not formulated with ultimate engine longevity in mind. An advertising advantage, lower consumer cost, and amount of waste oil generated in the expected life of the vehicle plays a part in this as well.
Oil is inexpensive compared to an oil-related failure, and if I had to pick one over the other, I'd change oil earlier that what is recommended by the manufacturer. The impression I get from talking to vehicle service reps is that after the warranty period they arent much interested how long your vehicle lasts.
naah, that's not it - honda engine last long time with 12k km service, as well as yamaha, e.g. my xt660z is like 10k km oil change interval and this engine lasts hundred of thousands of km or miles.
I'm interested is that engine special in some way or just suzuki service wants to get more money out of you in warranty period. BTW many studies have been done and engine oil characteristics are as good as new when we change it. Could be more dirty of course but again suzuki recommends oil filter change every third time oil is changed...weird.

Asking because I'm on the market for a new touring bike now, considering v-strom 1000, Super tenere.

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nothing is cheap if you're doing it too often
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I'll go 5,000 miles on an oil change when running full synthetic oil regardless of what the manufacturer says. I won't go longer than that regardless of what he manufacturer says either.

Most years I don't get that many miles on the bike and I do an oil change every fall at the end of the season anyway so for lower mileage riders it is a moot point.

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I'll go 2000 to 2500 miles for liquid cooled, and 1000 to 1200 for air cooled. Oil gets dirty from the byproducts of combustion, no matter what kind it is. Like MAZ says, oil is cheaper than engine work.
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Maybe it is similar to what they do with road speed signs. They assume everyone is driving in wet or snow conditions, and set a safe speed for that. It is way too slow for dry conditions, but better than having a lot of crashes when a storm comes.

So Suzuki assumes you are going to buy the cheapest oil available, and then recommends you change it more often.
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Suzuki is 12,000 km between oil changes. They said the is 2015.

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Suzuki is 12,000 km between oil changes. They said the is 2015.

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really? great so 12000 km or 7500 miles. Very good.
cannot find online any newer manual of v-strom.
So basically like honda or ktm adventure.
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New 2015 Jaguar F-type. Supercharged engine. Approximately 16,000 miles for recommended oil change intervals. Which is what it got.

New 2018 BMW X3. Turbocharged engine. 10,000 mile oil change intervals. Which is what it got and will get.

New BMW R 1200 RT. 6,000 mile oil change interval. I have had the oil sample tested. Plenty of oil life left. Easy 10,000 mile interval according to people that actually know facts about oil. I will change it around, either over or under depending on how trips work out. Would not concern me at all to have 8-9,000 miles on the oil after a long road trip.

Engines like clean oil and enough of it. The confusion starts with describing "clean". You can put new oil in a pan and heat it to 190 degrees and it darkens. So it must be dirty? No, not at all. That is simply some of the additives changing color after heating. 190 is a good oil temperature by the way.

Some of the engines that get astronomical numbers of miles get long oil drain intervals. Proving to me that changing oil at 3,000 miles is a true waste of money. Factor in those that leave a filter seal on the engine, crossthread drain plugs, forget to put in the new oil and start the engine, and so on I will say the averages are in favor of going what your owners manual recommends for a long life of your engine. The less you mess with something, can mean you are better off!
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Looks like you are interested in a 1000 but my 2017 650 manual says to change the filter only with every third oil change, which in turn is every 6000km or 3750miles (which they round down 3500miles in the manual) or once a year, whichever is reached sooner. In other words one filter every 18000km or 3 years. I have always changed the filter with every oil change in all my vehicles, just seems like a cleaner way to “start fresh” and most manuals require it anyway.
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