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post #1 of 65 Old 04-03-2019, 05:36 PM Thread Starter
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Is "Top Tier" gas worth it?

Being in the Auto industry for over 37 years I have very much believed in it since the top Tier Standards were created by the Auto Manufacturers. I always use it unless there simply is no other choice.

I don't recall ever seeing third party tests so interesting to read this:

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/a...er-fuel-study/


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I was in the import car repair business in various capacity's for over 25 years.
I saw the results Years ago when doing various motor repairs on everything from Mercedes to Mazda rotary engines... Much cleaner w/ the top tier fuels.
The same applies to Anything using gasoline.
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I just put the minimal required octane.




Unless i ride in the US, then i can afford to take the best of the best.
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I run cheap gas mostly but I do run a high quality fuel system cleaner through all my vehicles about three times a year. Not sure if that gives the same results or not.

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Wish the test showed pics of the carbon. If it's just a few specks then 19 times more still isn't that much carbon but it's nice to know that there is a difference assuming their test is real world.

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I run cheap gas mostly but I do run a high quality fuel system cleaner through all my vehicles about three times a year. Not sure if that gives the same results or not.
What's better: Having your fuel system and engine continuously cleaned by additives recommended by Auto Manufacturers and designed to work with the engine or cleaning it a few times a year with potentially harsh chemicals that many manufactures recommend against?

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What's better: Having your fuel system and engine continuously cleaned by additives recommended by Auto Manufacturers and designed to work with the engine or cleaning it a few times a year with potentially harsh chemicals that many manufactures recommend against?

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Thing is, suzuki suggest 91 octane gas straight up, no additives.
Is all that filler stuff better for the engine? Perhaps.
Is it recommended by the manufacturer? Nope.

Would i prefer only getting more gas, which is what i need to run my bike in the end? Kinda.


Btw, regular is 1.25$/liter here, big price drop!

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Thing is, suzuki suggest 91 octane gas straight up, no additives.
Is all that filler stuff better for the engine? Perhaps.
Is it recommended by the manufacturer? Nope.

Would i prefer only getting more gas, which is what i need to run my bike in the end? Kinda.


Btw, regular is 1.25$/liter here, big price drop!
Yeah our price in Ontario went up dramatically thanks to the idiot PM.

From Top Tier website: "Ten of the world's top automakers, BMW, General Motors, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, Ford, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, Navistar, and Audi" got together to create these standards."

Top Tier has nothing to do with regular vs Premium gas. All gasoline sold for Motor vehicle use has additives and all modern engines need the additives. Tougher emission standards meant better additives are required but were not mandated which is why the manufacturers got together on this.

I don't know what filler stuff you are talking about?

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I'm not impressed with AAA's test parameters.

100 hours = 4000 miles = 19 times the carbon buildup on the test engine or engines. Was there more than one engine?

Concluding that 1000 hours = 40,000 miles = 190 times the carbon buildup of regular fuel.

I'm not buying it, some carbon can burn off depending on buildup and how you drive and type of engine being tested. An engine with 80,000 miles wouldn't necessarily have 380 times the carbon buildup as their test engine.

To convince me i'm going to need to see a many more test parameters like 2, 4, 6 & 8 cylinder engines being tested. I remember many years back some motors being horribly carbon choked and others not so much. I can't say what fuel was being burned other than most of those engines would of had leaded fuel for at least a portion of the time back then. I think there were some pretty crappy engine designs back in the day that promoted carbon buildup no matter the fuel. I'm not convinced based on this one study...but I could be wrong.
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I use Top-Tier Detergent gas whenever I can. Most name brand gasoline is top-tier. I wasn't sure if my local Kroger or Speedway gas was top-tier so I called their distributor. Yep, both top-tier. My car's manual says to use top-tier, if not, use their fuel cleaner every 7,500 miles or 12 months. The cleaner I use and that makes it for my car manufacturer is Chevron Techron Complete Fuel System Cleaner. As for the bike, the only time I use the cleaner is when I've done a trip and ran a lot of unknown stuff.
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