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post #21 of 80 Old 04-04-2019, 04:26 AM
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Years back I did a job for a fellow recently retired from the fuel distribution business up in Kamloops area. What he said was all the fuel for the different companies came out of the same tanks and was the same product. The only difference was the additive packages each company added to the tanker. The pumps at most stations now dispense from one nozzle. When you buy premium fuel you start off with a hose and piping full of regular. If you grab half a tank full how much regular did you put in. A litre?(10%)
According to Shell Canada, in the single hose pump there is commonly 1/2 litre remaining and as long as you pump more than 10 litres they claim the total sale will be on spec for 91 octane.

It's best to find a pump with multi-hoses where the highest octane has its own hose. Chevron's 94 is one example.

In Ontario, the increase in the cost for a litre of gas due to the carbon tax was 5 cents, hardly substantial, but Ontario residents can also claim a rebate on their taxes and for a single person its $154 a year. or up to $307 a year for a family of four. This means there really isn't any increase in cost to someone who is single unless they pump more than 3080 litres a year. That would mean you'd have to fill up your VStrom more than 150 times a year or travel more than 60,000 kms a year. A single person with a VStrom would actually make more money from the carbon tax rebate than what they paid into it at the pump.
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Income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. The carbon tax will make poor people poorer today and tomorrow as the cost of everything other than services just went up. Anyone believe the climate will budge 1/100th of a degree in the next 50 years because Canada put a tax on everything?
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In Canada V-Tom who sells Top Tier fuel? I remember at an auto show in Toronto talking to a Pfaff Porsche guy who said he thought Esso gas was crap but Shell gas was the best.
I think I know who that is and since he sat at my desk just after I started this reply we have been arguing about it for a while now. We actually have similar views but his are much stronger. Given a choice the gas I use would be in this order: Shell, Esso, Petro, any other Top tier, whatever was available (with preference to busy stations.) If your motor does a lot of short trips, idling and/or sits around a lot then Shell Super is strongly preferred as in Ontario it is the only one that promises having no Ethanol (many other supers have no ethanol but you don't know for sure.)


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I guess I haven't burned enough gas to have a preference, and certainly not an order of preference... I buy whatever's cheapest or available. My bike has covered a lot of ground and no fuel I've pumped has been bad enough to stop it yet.
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The biggest "cleaning" issue in modern engines is the intake valve(s). Combustion chamber and piston carbon build up are far less an issue on these engines than older design. One reason is much better oil control. They simply don't bypass oil into the combustion chamber like they used to. Second is that engines simply run so much cleaner today, there is less raw fuel to mix with other stuff and that means less build up. The fuel additive packages in most fuel you buy today work surprisingly well. Keeping things clean is more important today. You don't want stuck piston rings or carbon buildup that would change compression ratios. I personally do not use additives that I pour into the tank as "regular" maintenance.
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Anything that isn't gas, is a filler. So the space it takes is space gas does not have in your tank.

I feel the same about ethanol, btw.
So you don't want what makes fuel safe to burn? It is ok for your engine to KNOCK on low octane gasoline? Without anti-knock additives your octane rating would be far lower. Sure, you can buy race fuel. It has less cleaning additives than what you buy at a gas station. I just bought 15 gallons. $9.95 a gallon.

I really don't see a beef against additives. It costs us far less per mile to drive on the fuel we have today in the cars we have than it ever did before. If additives keep everything working like it should, then they are not the enemy.
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What's better: Having your fuel system and engine continuously cleaned by additives recommended by Auto Manufacturers and designed to work with the engine or cleaning it a few times a year with potentially harsh chemicals that many manufactures recommend against?



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I don't think it makes much sense from cost point of view the couple cent you save on using cheap gas will not offset cost of cleaners.

In US there are cheap places to get TopTier like Costco, Valero, Arco, 76, Cenex,, Citgo, Sunoco, Sinclair, etc etc. In many cases you pay less for TT.

https://www.toptiergas.com/licensed-brands/

If you use GasBuddy app it has way to filter TT good luck
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When I need gas I get it. On a trip I usually get a name brand. My 650 runs fine on TT regular.
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Is it worth it?
It is to me!
This is hardly something I will look back on one day from my wheelchair and wish I'd chosen fuel with less detergents.

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If you believe the CR reports article, it may be worth it. I found the picture of the 19 times more in the linked article. The photo makes it look like a car with 40,000 miles of the bad stuff would have a much larger valve.

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