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post #11 of 65 Old 04-03-2019, 08:49 PM
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I don't know what filler stuff you are talking about?
Anything that isn't gas, is a filler. So the space it takes is space gas does not have in your tank.

I feel the same about ethanol, btw.

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Correct me if Iím wrong, but ĎTop Tierí is a privately administered program for fuel standards, where suppliers must go through very expensive testing and also pay licensing fees to be able to label their products ĎTop Tierí.
My understanding is than many companies choose not to pay-up to enroll in this program, even though their fuels might meet the Top Tier quality standards (similar situation as JASO standards/testing for oils).

In any case, I donít know about the US, but all gas here in Canada must contain a certain level of detergent and additives to help prevent buildup, possibly putting it close to Top Tier standards.
To be honest, Iíd be more concerned about ethanol content... that shit can be quite corrosive.
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The standards were federally mandated in 1995. There have been a lot of emission changes since.

Automobile Manufactures setup Top Tier so that the additives met the demands of modern engines and later emission standards.

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Carbon build up pre-unleaded would burn out much more easily. Since then there are deposits that form that are much harder to burn out. This is why better additives are needed.

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Anything that isn't gas, is a filler. So the space it takes is space gas does not have in your tank.

I feel the same about ethanol, btw.
You can't buy straight gasoline. It isn't sold at any pumps. All gas has additives. Your engine would not last very long without it.

Better additives are better than poorer additives.

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https://www.toptiergas.com/FAQRetailer/

It looks like the cost of getting the Top Tier stamp of approval falls to the additive companies. Retailers pay an annual fee, which is described as 'minimal', and then just have whatever terminal they get fuel from mix the top tier detergent package in when they load their trucks.

https://www.toptiergas.com/licensed-brands/

There are more Top Tier brands than you might think.

I can't imagine that a retailer would waste money putting a detergent package in their gas at a level that would qualify as Top Tier if they weren't able to capitalize on it by advertising it as Top Tier.

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You can't buy straight gasoline. It isn't sold at any pumps. All gas has additives. Your engine would not last very long without it.

Better additives are better than poorer ditives.

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Welp, i'm not an expert in the matter, that's for sure.

I seem to recall a couple places in the us that didn't have fancy crap, not even ethanol at the pump, can't recall which...

All i'd like is affordable gas, they can keep the 25 added ingredients that boost prices.

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You can't buy straight gasoline. It isn't sold at any pumps. All gas has additives. Your engine would not last very long without it.

Better additives are better than poorer ditives.

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I don't know about other additives, but there is one source about 20 miles from me that sells E0 gasoline. I use it in the winter, along with fuel stabilizer, because I might only get out on the bike once a month.
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In Canada V-Tom who sells Top Tier fuel? I remember at an auto show in Toronto talking to a Pfaff Porsche guy who said he thought Esso gas was crap but Shell gas was the best.

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Years back I did a job for a fellow recently retired from the fuel distribution business up in Kamloops area. What he said was all the fuel for the different companies came out of the same tanks and was the same product. The only difference was the additive packages each company added to the tanker. The pumps at most stations now dispense from one nozzle. When you buy premium fuel you start off with a hose and piping full of regular. If you grab half a tank full how much regular did you put in. A litre?(10%)

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