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post #1 of 8 Old 03-21-2019, 01:49 PM Thread Starter
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My Russell Day Long rebuild, and seating in general

(This Russell is for my 2018 DL650, but the thoughts and opinions I share would apply to really any DL year or model, and to most motorcycles in general. And my thoughts could assist with any 3rd party brand of seat, either rebuilt or off-the-shelf.)

Regardless of the bike, the ergonomic fit of the seat is the single biggest issue I have with any motorcycle. If the seat is on my mind, it likely means I'm not happy about it, and that ruins the ride experience for me from the discomfort I'm experiencing. I don't ride to feel pain. A motorcycle seat for the OEMs is a fashion-before-function matter; just the opposite for me. The stock DL650 seat stinks. It did on my '07, it does on my '18. It follows the lines of the bike, it is not designed for a human to ride the long haul upon it.

This is the second time I've sent an OEM seat to Russell for a rebuild. The first was my previous 2010 Yamaha FJR. Both seats, like most OEM seat are, were shaped with a side-to-side convex curve, and a front-to-back concave curve. Like a Pringles potato chip. This stock shape provides no support for the outer hips, allowing your legs to sag from the hip/pelvic bone and causing your weight to concentrate and bear on everything from your "man-bits area" to your tailbone, rather than where the weight should be bearing- spread out across the entire sitting region of your body instead of concentrated on parts of your anatomy that would rather not bear your weight. Having a wide and supportive seat also creates less weight per square inch being supported, lessening hot spots and other discomfort.

I'm providing photos of both before (OEM seat and a gray shirt) and after the rebuild (Russell seat and a maroon shirt) with me sitting on the bike. For reference, those jeans have a 34" waistline size. I'm 6" tall with a 30" inseam, and 200 pounds. Russell's ordering process takes all of this into account to get the best possible fit for you, including using photos you'll submit to them. It is plainly evident which seat is providing the most support for my body. Watch the label patch on my right rear pocket as a reference to the seat profiles.

Now, in all fairness, as you can see from the bike-only shots (posted in the next message, I hit the image limit per post), it's still winter at this moment, and I have not yet taken the new Russell out for a ride. But I am confident in what I am to expect from my second Russell Day Long, and I have no issue recommending Russell for a rebuild of your seat. You spent thousands on your bike, you've probably spent a boat load fitting it with other doo-dads, why not splurge for the ONE upgrade item that you have to utilize each and every time you get on the bike, today and for years to come. If not Russell, then somebody else's seat solution- anything is better than stock. Sure, somebody out there will say the stocker works for them, and that is terrific, but you are in the minority. The truth is, the stock seat fails in the area of ergonomics.

Now if I could just get the snow and salt remnants to be washed away so I can go enjoy some long miles on my new seat!

Steve.
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Photos starring just the Russell on my bike.

FYI- That's a Givi top box and Hepco Becker C-Bow hard cases. A nice package for lightweight touring and exploring.

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Good explanation and photos. It just goes to show that the metal seat off of my grandpa's 1945 tractor would provide more support than my OEM seat.
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Pictures of that butt on the seats are worth a thousand words! Not magic, just science. Properly support a larger area, comfort multiplies.
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I've only had my (heated!!!) Russel Day Long since mid November so I have only managed a bit over 5,000 km /3,000 miles. I haven't done any trips with it (damn winter!) with longest ride on it being a little 400km /250 mile round the block kind of Sunday ride.

It has been extremely comfortable for me! It is very supportive of my (now under) 240 lbs. I've very happy with it an would recommend them to anyone tall enough to use it.

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I agree that OEM seats are definitely a form over function design. I also agree that many riders spend $1000's on farckles, but balk at the cost of a Russell, one of the only accessories that's used EVERY time the bike is ridden. It's hands down the best thing I've added to my bike as you can see in my signature.

Mine's the first V-Strom in the 3rd row with ocean background.

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I am sure some people get tired of me touting the Russell Day-Long seats. If you ride long distances you probably know what a poor seat can cause. I simply cannot justify spending money on Sargent, Corbin, other custom seats any longer. I have had most of them on a bike at one time or another. NONE have come close to the comfort of a Russell on long trips. If your butt hurts the morning of the second day on the road.....that trip is wasted in my opinion. Why suffer?

Expensive? Probably $4-500 for the more basic setup. Which is just as good as the expensive ones for comfort. If you ride more and enjoy it more, then the cost over the life of the bike is a lot less than buying a motel room each day at 3 pm because your ass hurts. Just commute an hour each way and take a 2-3 hour ride on weekends? About anything is ok for that. Do 800-1000 miles in one day. Then get on the bike for another 800 the second day... Well, there is the difference!
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Great photo's........Yep, hip bones cantilevered out there with nothing but air under them is a recipe for pain. The only fix is proper'support'.

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