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post #1 of 25 Old 03-10-2019, 01:42 AM Thread Starter
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Yippie!!! Time change is here. I don't have to subtract an hour from my clock for the next several months. Too lazy to reset it with every time change
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post #2 of 25 Old 03-10-2019, 11:50 AM
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There is a flicker of hope that this will be the last time we change it, in the West at least. CA, OR, WA and BC are all discussing it.

But I think I read this every year and it never gets done.

If Trump wants his legacy, this is the one thing he should change over all of the US, then Canada will follow, and the rest of the world later.
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I have hope that within my lifetime, this STUPID time change thing will go away!!!
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I've heard numerous arguments both pro and con for DST, and I think that whatever benefits it might provide are so small, and so specific to just select portions of the country, that it's pointless to continue it. Most of the arguments in favor of it are based on the hypothetical ("here's what would happen if we didn't have it"), and it's so simple to test those hypotheticals by just canceling it for a year and recording the economic/social impact, if any. It's not like we've been doing it for centuries; we didn't standardize it until 1966. Arizona doesn't even use it, and they don't grind to a halt between March and November.

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I saw something the last day or so, Florida just past a law to use daylight savings, year round

I cut a foot off my blankets and sewed it on to the other end today as well
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Maybe arguments for DST are based on gender arguments...."it's whatever time I feel it is. Time is just a construct".
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Only argument I've ever heard that makes even an iota of sense is sending young grade school kids off in the morning. The time change is to keep them in some semblance of daylight for getting off to school. I hope ST goes the way of the dinosaur and we keep the clock at DST. Younguns (and their parents) can deal with it. I REALLY like the extended evenings.
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Not me. I can't skulk along the rooftops trying to strike fear into the heart of Gotham's underworld if it stays light til freaking 9 PM.
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Maybe arguments for DST are based on gender arguments...."it's whatever time I feel it is. Time is just a construct".
To be fair, it sort of is. Time as a measurement is purely a uniquely human thing and it only is this time, because as a species we agree that it is. The rotation of earth and the orbit happen to be pretty easy to measure and consistent, and its a pretty good milestone to count. Mostly. The fact that DST exists kinda proves that. Technically, we don't really need time zones at all, and as far as computers are concerned, they do not care about time zones and DST. Many computers go by GMT, and then the time zone is calculated purely for human readability. They have to, otherwise international commerce and networks would have many issues.

I do agree that DST should be done away with though. Precisely because measurement of time is a made up human thing. And why would you make time more complicated? Keep it simple.

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I don't disagree with you that it's a construct, but it's a construct based on the observations of the known universe and the laws that apply. It's a system developed over the past at least 20,000 years, and has been constantly refined from counting the phases of the moon in the month to calculating Planck Time. Measuring time is a human construct because people needed to come up with a system to explain the movements of the sun, and moon, and universe. It's not arbitrary; it's quantifiable, and repeatable, and most importantly, predictable. I could claim that it was midday every time I saw a robin land in the oak tree outside my window, and that's a construct too, but it doesn't have any of the characteristics that the actual measurement of time has. That's why I made the joke; because it seems like people are becoming more prone to defining reality by how they feel, rather than what reality is. DST doesn't change the way time works; you can absolutely claim that it's midday at 5:30 AM, but your construct in no way changes that midday is the point where the sun is at its highest point in the sky. Now, you could call that event "Snarglelump" if you want, but whatever term you use, it has to describe that exact position of the sun, or it's meaningless. We agree as a species that time is measured the way it is, not because of some agreement between nations or society, , but because it accurately explains the movements of the planet and moon and celestial events to the point that it becomes predictable, quantifiable information. Someone could come along with a brand new system of measuring time, and unless it satisfied those requirements, it would be meaningless. We've abandoned multiple calendars over the millennia for precisely that reason; they didn't adequately explain the universe. Time doesn't exist because we measure it; we measure it because Time exists.
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