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post #41 of 61 Old 03-01-2019, 05:26 AM
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I went to Americade one year and test rode a lot of bikes and when I got on my 650 to ride 600 miles home I kept thinking to myself, there isn't anything to upgrade to.
I've had the exact same feeling after test riding a lot of more expensive bikes.

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Erock, I can relate in that I had my '85 900r Ninja, and as with my ZRX1100 it revs willingly from idle to redline. But I dont feel my 1000 is reluctant to rev--it's just with that much V-Twin torque and at that lower RPM, I have no need to rev it out as I did with my 900 Ninja or even my ZRX1100, both 4-cylinders. I'd say my '14 Vstrom1000 revs willingly all the way from idle to it's 9300 RPM fuel cut. Found that out the 1st time I ran against a '99 Triumph 955i Speed Triple.

I'm in total agreement with Big B and V-Tom concerning the 2nd gen 1000 power delivery.

When I ride a friend's '14 650 Vstrom I find the engine electric-motor smooth, but at a higher rpm/road speed than what I'm used to. Just my impressions here, but to me, the 1000 runs like... a 1000. If you didnt know it was a 650, you'd never guess it was "only" a 650 from riding it.
Mine was an 84 ZX9! still ran like a champ when i sold it last year after buying the V1000. Im happy with the power band of the 1000, it was just a shock my first few rides out.

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I’m am currently thinking about trading my 06 1000 in For a newer 650. Mostly because 80% of my riding is at 60mph with couple road trips involving the highway. Has any one else done something similar? Do you think I will be “bored” with the 650. I’m not speed demon but the 1000 does put a smile on my face time to time. I would get a 1000 but wife has set the budget and won’t to find one with low miles for cheap like $5000 or less. What’s your thoughts? I only ride two up maybe once a year.
That's a very individual decision. What works for one rider fails for another. My DL650 was the second best bike I have ever owned out of dozens. Initially, when I first purchased it I felt the performance of the 650 was adequate and fairly quick for a 650. As I rode it more and exposed it to real-world conditions, such as the interstate, passing, 2 up and long distance high speed touring, the limitations of the small motor became evident. Being over 6"3" and at times tipping 250# the 650 was struggling with me at highway speeds of 70-90 mph. There just wasn't much left. But around town, on secondary roads and one up the bike was just perfect. These shortcomings eventually lead to a new Goldwing, which I discovered had even more shortcomings, which led me back to an upright Adv style bike that I now own, which for me, has no shortcomings. Personally, unless I had no plans on running the interstate or trying to keep up with big bikes while touring, I'd stick with the 1000. It's better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it. Good luck with your choice.
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Mine was an 84 ZX9! still ran like a champ when i sold it last year after buying the V1000. Im happy with the power band of the 1000, it was just a shock my first few rides out.
Erock, I bought my '85 for $125 as a basket-case wreck from a coworker whose cousin owned it. When I 1st saw it it looked like it had been dropped off a cliff and rolled into the ocean.
16 months and $2200 later, I had restored it to as-new. A lot of motorcycle salvage yard parts from 10+ yards across the country, the only original parts left on the bike were the basic engine, frame, and rims. I found, one piece at a time, all of the '84 body work, fireglow red and charcoal grey, which, to me, looked better than the '85 body work. If it was good enough for Tom Cruise in "Top Gun", it was good enough for me!

For its time, it was DAMN FAST! Very peaky, like a passenger jet with an fighter jet engine equipped with a afterburner.
I had it for 6 years, got all my money back out of it when I sold it after buying a new '00 ZRX1100, still in my garage, parked just behind my '14 Vstrom1000. I still have the factory service manual for it.
The ZRX has the same basic engine, just with more torque down low and much more civilized.
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I have a DL 650 and a DL 1000.

The 1000 is better on the longer hauls - well up until I run out of gas when I wouldn't have on the 650 , It's a bit more stable and is able to pass in places where I couldn't on the 650.
The 650 still does the commute and gets the occasional weekend run, it's better in the tight stuff and really doesn't lose anything to the 1000 near town.

If I had to keep one it'd be the 650. That's not saying I don't like the 1000, I do but the 650 is magic.
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Which Gens? I agree on Gen 1 only. Gen 2/3 1000 kicks the 650s butt on most factors. I had both Gen 2's at the same time.

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I have a DL 650 and a DL 1000.

The 1000 is better on the longer hauls - well up until I run out of gas when I wouldn't have on the 650 , It's a bit more stable and is able to pass in places where I couldn't on the 650.
The 650 still does the commute and gets the occasional weekend run, it's better in the tight stuff and really doesn't lose anything to the 1000 near town.

If I had to keep one it'd be the 650. That's not saying I don't like the 1000, I do but the 650 is magic.
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There are some good, valid points made here. I've never owned a 1000 Vee but I moved from a Honda ST1100 onto my 650. I do miss that awesome V4 torque. That bike would pull about anything without downshifting. The 650 is a lot happier at 4000 RPM and above. I don't mind it, I think I just got lazy riding the Honda. I don't do much long distance riding anymore.

For me, the biggest improvement with the 650 Wee is that I ride it so much more. It's easy to move around, easy on and off, easy to park and back up, and I take it more places. I know all those differences probably don't apply to the 1000 Vee but they were the most important factors leading me to buy the 650 instead of the 1000. My age and physical condition played into my ability to handle a heavier, bigger machine.
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Which Gens? I agree on Gen 1 only. Gen 2/3 1000 kicks the 650s butt on most factors. I had both Gen 2's at the same time.
You are obviously delusional and a tad bit biased.

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I agree with the recent Rider Magazine comparison of the 1000 and 650 VStroms on every point. They even went on to conclude that they used to favor the Gen 1 650 over the Gen 1 1000 VStroms of the past but the tides have turned and that just isn't true any longer.

I make the exact same points they do when asked about them both since I owned both at the same time to compare them back-to-back. I certainly don't consider their technical comparisons biased or delusional. They are very well thought out, tested, and well written so I won't repeat all of the reasons the 1000 tops the 650 again but I will say it is honest and fact based.

Budget is really the only reason to consider a 650 at this point which I think is the reason given for downsizing but I think it is important to realize what is being given up. The mileage was so close on my 650 and 1000 with the way I ride that it was a very weak factor if at all. If I weighed 100 lbs. instead of 200 lbs. I might also consider the 650 a bit more. I would be happy to discuss any points they have made in the article if anyone disagrees with them. Both are excellent bikes but the 1000 is the clear winner in a back-to-back comparison as they did.

"There was a time in these models’ histories when the gap between them was wider and the V-Strom 650 was clearly the better choice. Both of these bikes are hugely competent and fun, but for 2018 the gap has narrowed, and now we think that bigger is better."

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bigger is better."
Yup, especially when you are fat, or used to be. It's just simple physics, more mass takes more thrust to reach the same velocity. Now I am half the mass with twice the thrust, a double whammy for me! Woot!
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