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post #41 of 49 Old 08-29-2017, 07:37 PM
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My '78 Yamaha XS400 (owned in '90) had them. Probably the same system they used on the XS11. Don't know why they ditched it - maybe a fear of liability lawsuits if it turned off early and resulted in someone's death or injury. I seem to recall they worked pretty well, and did about what you'd expect them to. Whether having the signals occasionally turn themselves off when put on way in advance of a corner outweighs never riding around for miles with them on, I can't say.
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My '78 Yamaha XS400 (owned in '90) had them. Probably the same system they used on the XS11. Don't know why they ditched it - maybe a fear of liability lawsuits if it turned off early and resulted in someone's death or injury. I seem to recall they worked pretty well, and did about what you'd expect them to. Whether having the signals occasionally turn themselves off when put on way in advance of a corner outweighs never riding around for miles with them on, I can't say.
I have spoken to many riders and they all tell me same story, yamaha had them by the end of 70's and their automatic canceling system worked really good. Its really shame that they didnt proceed with developing the system.
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post #43 of 49 Old 09-11-2017, 05:37 PM
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I mounted the STS module on my Vee2. Although not the easiest accessory I've installed, it really wasn't bad. It really depends on how comfortable you are with cutting and splicing the wiring harness of your motorcycle. Once you get comfortable with that idea, it gets better. What was really great was the quality of customer service and support I got from Safer-Turn. They were right there any time I needed information and always had an accurate answer. Great bunch of people to work with.

The system itself is simple to use and works well. I may eventually replace the crimp connections supplied by the manufacturer with solder and shrink-tube insulation, but I wanted to spend some time working with the system before making the connections more permanent. I really like it, so far. I know we all should work on being more aware of our turn signals, trying not to give motorists false cues regarding our intentions in traffic, so having the signals cancel themselves in an intelligent manner is really nice.

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The 2014 DL1000 is my second bike with the Smart Turn System (STS) installed. The first unit I bought direct on sale for $90. This unit, I found new on Ebay for just $60. This is a great little add-on and, to my mind, it's well worth the price and time to install. The logic that the system uses to cancel turn signals is brilliant.

The provided splice-in fittings and bullet connectors are ridiculous. I don't understand why anyone would use such an unreliable, failure-prone way to mount electronics. If you can't use a simple soldering iron, then you've got no business doing anything with wiring, period. I soldered in the units (covered in heat-shrink tubing) on both bikes and they each worked flawlessly on the first try. Had I made a mistake though, it's very easy to unsolder a wire and re-do it. Listed below are the wiring connections spelled out for anyone wanting to add a STS module to your DL1000 2014-2016:

The Left Handlebar Switch connector has 8 wires. It's clipped into the plastic radiator shroud below the airbox but the connector should be accessible by loosening the radiator rather than removing the tank and airbox. I was adding a Dynojet Fuel Controller and adjusting my Throttle Position Sensor anyway so I went in from the top:

Left Handlebar Switch connector (8 wires)
Function........................Color
Headlight 12V................. Orange
Ground........................… Black/White
Right Turn-Signal......…..… Light Green
Turn-Signal Neutral.......... Light Blue
Left Turn-Signal............… Black
Clutch switch................... Black/Yellow (not used for STS)
High-beam/Pass Switch ... Yellow …….... (not used for STS)
Horn Button(to ground) ... Black/Blue ... (not used for STS)


Smart Turn System has 8 wires:
Function ......................................... Color
12V Power......................................... Red ...... to ... Orange (mid-wire graft on)
Ground............................................ . Black .... to ... Black/White (mid-wire graft on)
Right Turn-Signal Input (from switch).... White ... to ... Light Green (handlebar switch side)
Right Turn-Signal Output (to bike)......... Yellow ... to ... Light Green (bike side)
Neutral Wire Out (to switch) ................. Blue ..... to ... Light Blue (handlebar switch side)
Flasher Relay Input (from bike) ............. Brown ... to ... Light Blue (bike side)
Left Turn-Signal Input (from switch) ...... Purple ... to ... Black (handlebar switch side)
Left Turn-Signal output (to bike) ........... Green .... to ... Black (bike side)

Word of advice; if you don't know how to use a soldering iron plus heat-shrink tubing and know how to neatly wrap wiring in electrical tape, then don't hack up your wiring system. Find a professional (or a teenager) who can do the installation for you. I don't think it's all that difficult but then I'm amazed at all the things most people feel they can't do.

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I've wondered the same thing. My 79 Yamaha XS11 had them. I don't get it.
yep, my '82 Yamaha XV920R has them, I've been looking at maybe rewiring the V-strom to use the Yamaha relays that I have, iirc they are designed on a timer inside the relay, I know that many times, sitting at a light, the signal would cancel itself and I would have to turn it on again

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My Vulcan 1700 has them and I hate them. They have some sort of voodoo logic that goes by time and distance traveled so you can sit at a red light for an hour and they will not turn off. The issue though is that they are set to turn off way to quick so I have to signal much later then I would like to and I wind up checking to make sure it's still on just before my turn instead of checking the road. Some guys on the form came up with a way to disable them and i'll be doing that in the spring.

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post #47 of 49 Old 11-07-2019, 04:42 PM
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For an extra $10 grand or so, go gitch yerself a BMW with auto canceling signals. I still turn them off manually even with the auto cancel feature. Habit to kill it the second I clear a turn. GSA blinks for a few more seconds than I'm used to, so it's my backup if I ever forget. If I didn't already have it, I sure wouldn't miss it or pay for an add on...
Love the self-cancelling signals on my RT. Usually I remember to cancel them myself, but it's nice knowing that after 10 seconds or so (in combination with moving), the signals will self-cancel and I won't be riding along giving drivers bad signals.

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My Vulcan 1700 has them and I hate them. They have some sort of voodoo logic that goes by time and distance traveled so you can sit at a red light for an hour and they will not turn off. The issue though is that they are set to turn off way to quick so I have to signal much later then I would like to and I wind up checking to make sure it's still on just before my turn instead of checking the road. Some guys on the form came up with a way to disable them and i'll be doing that in the spring.
It makes sense to me that badly implemented automation is much worse than no automation at all. The logic of the STS unit is impeccable in my experience; it does exactly what I want it to do, exactly when I want it done.

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