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post #1 of 18 Old 05-05-2017, 11:54 PM Thread Starter
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Hard braking

05 DL650 is not a sport bike.

I practiced a bit of hard braking today, while lightly loaded up w gear, but not more than 50 lbs; mounted where a rear top case would be.

The feedback in the handlebars is not pleasant. I feel the bike wanting to go to one side or the other. I was light on the rear brake, maybe I need to dig in more with the rear first; regardless, I rediscovered that hard braking (in a straight line) is not this bike's strength (something I probably knew already beforehand).

Which is another reason to not ride it like a sport bike; don't put those extreme performance demands on a bike that wasn't designed for it.

The new DL1000 or even the S10 are looking mighty tempting.. can't quite justify the switch yet, but maybe someone else can enjoy this 650 while it's got some life left.. I don't really want to own two similar motorcycles

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50lbs is way too much weight for the rear rack. The limit is 22lbs.
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I switched to the V2 for the ABS among many other things. Safety is high on my list. V2 brakes are superior as well as suspension.

70% of braking power comes from front brakes, so you want to use that most of all, the rear brake, if it locks, can cause a highside easily, so you need to be extra careful there.
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Klimber, do you have a fork brace on your bike? My '06 Vee has no wobble at all under hard braking, even from over 100 mph. Even two-up with camping gear, etc. I think the fork brace helps. Like you said, it's not a sport bike so the original equipment suspension needs a little help. The other bikes you mentioned probably would not have the same issue.
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05 DL650 is not a sport bike.


The feedback in the handlebars is not pleasant. I feel the bike wanting to go to one side or the other. I was light on the rear brake, maybe I need to dig in more with the rear first; regardless, I rediscovered that hard braking (in a straight line) is not this bike's strength (something I probably knew already beforehand).



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Were you riding in a straight line, head straight, eyes at the horizon when you initiated braking? As for "digging in more with the rear first", that is not a good idea, not proper braking procedure & could lead to a rear lock. Remember almost 90% of your braking power is in the front brakes which are applied first, then feathering-in the rear brake.

If you are doing a proper application if the brakes, and your bike is going side to side you have something mechanically wrong/worn causing the issue. Consider taking a MSF class to learn the basics or refresh skills. Remember, improper braking can lead to some pretty spectacular crashes.
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Hard braking

I did install a fork brace when I first got the bike (slightly used in 2011 ish); it is a great upgrade to help with front end stability. I can't imagine a fork brace can "wear out" can it?

Is the rear rack's weight limit in regards to its strength or bike handling or both? I've loaded way more than 22lbs before... for some reason I think if I loaded it the same gear to the side racks / passenger seat it wouldn't have made a huge difference..

The 1st Gen 1000's have adjustable cartridge forks, so they probably perform better than the 650's.. However, I don't think that upgrade is a big enough jump if I'm going to at this point.

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May not be relevant, but are your air pressures up to spec? I sadly, do not check me pressures as much as I should. One ride last year it was riding funny, including unstable stops. I went home again to check things out, I found the tires were down a good 5-10 lbs. Aired them up, and the rest of day it rode like "normal".

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The limit is mostly about handling. A large amount of weight so far from the center of gravity of the bike can make the tail wag the dog. Try braking without the weight and see how much difference it makes. That will give you some idea of whether the weight or something else is the problem.

Dense objects are best carried in a tank bag, tank panniers or low and forward in side cases. Get the weight as close to the bike's center of mass as possible.
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W? As for "digging in more with the rear first", that is not a good idea, not proper braking procedure & could lead to a rear lock. Remember almost 90% of your braking power is in the front brakes which are applied first, then feathering-in the rear brake.



If you are doing a proper application if the brakes, and your bike is going side to side you have something mechanically wrong/worn causing the issue. .

Is it a bad idea to apply the rear and front brakes simultaneously?

I think the extra gear might be a contributor BUT u have me wondering..

What mechanical issue could cause that type of feedback (wobbly front end during hard braking)? Loose or notched steering head bearings?

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The limit is mostly about handling. A large amount of weight so far from the center of gravity of the bike can make the tail wag the dog. Try braking without the weight and see how much difference it makes. That will give you some idea of whether the weight or something else is the problem.

Dense objects are best carried in a tank bag, tank panniers or low and forward in side cases. Get the weight as close to the bike's center of mass as possible.

That makes sense thanks GW!

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