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General V-Strom Discussion Talk about all things V-Strom not limited to just one of the above models

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post #201 of 245 Old 03-27-2017, 11:38 AM Thread Starter
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I am wondering if it is not that people confuse them but a matter of expectations.

As someone that use to ride a DRZ 400 my expectations might be more dirt oriented.

The DRZ is almost universally accepted as competent dual sport bike. If you ask pure dirt bike riders they say it's a POS.

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ADVpulse review of Wee off-road capabilities:
Making the Suzuki V-Strom 650 Off-Road Ready? - ADV Pulse

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Heading out on the V-Strom for the first test run left us with question marks — not knowing how it would perform or even if it would be able to complete the course. But our first test lap left us pleasantly surprised. The suspension adjustments and grippy Continental TKC 80 tires made a solid improvement in the bike’s off-road handling, and the Suzuki soaked up the whoop sections and tough hill climbs better than we anticipated.

But after turning up the speed, we started to experience bottoming in the whoops. The V-Strom could still reach respectable speeds on the trail but it had to be ridden with significant caution. The ride is jarring through the rough stuff and the V-Strom lets you know it doesn’t like being pushed. Despite increasing the damping, the rear suspension still bottomed frequently, and the bike’s laid-back ergonomics made it hard to get completely comfortable riding in the attack position.

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After reviewing the results, the gap from the Suzuki to the KTM (KTM 990 Adventure R) was 19 seconds — a significant margin on a 5-minute course. It was faster than we expected, but what stunned us the most was how the V-Strom 650 compared to the KLR 650 we’d previously tested on the same course with the same test rider.

The KLR 650 has a 2″ advantage in suspension travel in the front and 1″ advantage in the rear over the V-Strom, and it’s also got a larger 21″ front wheel and weighs 40 pounds less.

Most people will tell you the KLR will outperform the V-Strom in any type of technical off-road terrain, and we’d have to agree with that assumption from a ‘feeling’ perspective. But the numbers told us a different story.

During our stock KLR 650 vs KTM 990 Adventure R test, we recorded a 23-second difference between the two bikes. That makes the V-Strom four seconds faster than the KLR. Going through the test data, it appears the KLR 650 struggled on the hill climbs sections where it was underpowered. Whereas, the V-Strom had no problem accelerating up hills and was able to maintain momentum and track straight.
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Clearly, there are other adventure bike choices available that make more sense if playing in the dirt is your main priority, but the V-Strom fits the bill for those that want a great street bike that’s more than capable of handling the occasional stint off-road, even in rough terrain. With a few upgrades, the Wee-Strom can be made off-road-ready and it performs better in the dirt than it gets credit for.
I think there is no reason to sell Wee short, with minor changes it is a capable bike. It needs more clearance and better suspension though. If not longer travel at least progressive spring set like HyperPro to resist bottoming out.
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ADVpulse review of Wee off-road capabilities:
Making the Suzuki V-Strom 650 Off-Road Ready? - ADV Pulse



I think there is no reason to sell Wee short, with minor changes it is a capable bike. It needs more clearance and better suspension though. If not longer travel at least progressive spring set like HyperPro to resist bottoming out.
It's write-ups like this one which lead some people to have unrealistic expectations of a V-Stroms preferred habitat.
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It's write-ups like this one which lead some people to have unrealistic expectations of a V-Stroms preferred habitat.
Where is the sand, the deep gravel, the fallen logs?
They had loose stuff and hill climb but no logs in desert. With amount or rather lack of ground clearance logs and deeper rocky ruts will be a problem for Wee (and this brings us back to initial post).

But that aside riding ADV bike is about good tires and proper technique. No it is not a dirt or dual sport, but neither is GS. Its purpose is not to ride the dirt but to get through.
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We often forget in these discussions about what a bike can/cannot do is the fact that test riders are usually pros and/or have a huge set of balls to throw these somewhat large and heavy bikes around in the dirt. Yeah, they can make it seem like most any ADV machine is "capable," but does the average pavement rider have the skills or cojones to let the big dogs rip? I am sure a KTM ADV is probably easier than a DL650, but I know I don't have the stuff to make the bike look better than it is. In the dirt. I'd likely get hurt, or worse, trying.
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I agree it is all about skills and tires, but even if you don't have experience to go balls out like pro the fact that bike can be ridden through at much slower speeds is a good news for us mortals.

From what I understand KTMs are very capable but not that easy to ride too..
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We often forget in these discussions about what a bike can/cannot do is the fact that test riders are usually pros and/or have a huge set of balls to throw these somewhat large and heavy bikes around in the dirt. Yeah, they can make it seem like most any ADV machine is "capable," but does the average pavement rider have the skills or cojones to let the big dogs rip? I am sure a KTM ADV is probably easier than a DL650, but I know I don't have the stuff to make the bike look better than it is. In the dirt. I'd likely get hurt, or worse, trying.

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They're not their bikes either. They can flog them then hand over the keys.

Cracks me up seeing some pro flying on a "ADV" bike off-road then reading the forums about how capable the bike is. Yea but...

Guy at work is a long time off-road racer. He bought a KTM 1190 thinking that he could ride aggressively off-road on it. His "revelation" was "it's too stinkin' heavy!" Yea it has great suspension, plenty of ground clearance and power but it is 500lbs+.

That ADV Pulse article should have had a baseline dirt bike lap. Something like a KTM 500 (street legal version). I'm betting that the lap time comparison would have been glaring to those who think that the 1190 KTM is just a big ol' dirt bike.
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Always trade offs guys, but the big street legal ADV bikes are capable with some skills and hard work.........is a true dual sport just as capable "on road" and as comfortable "on road"?

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Always trade offs guys, but the big street legal ADV bikes are capable with some skills and hard work.........is a true dual sport just as capable "on road" and as comfortable "on road"?

My experience working my way from dirt bikes to dual sport bikes to the Strom is that if you actually need real dirt capability you put up with less comfort on the road.

My first dual sport bike was a DRZ 400S. Compared to the dirt bikes I rode it was way comfy. Seat foam was twice as thick, nice. It was fairly capable in the dirt. I could go down the same trails as a dirt bike not quite as quick though.

Went to a KLR and it was a couch compared to the DRZ. Heck I could ride a couple of tank fulls of gas a day out on the road. Sucked off road though compared. Couldn't get up on top of whoops, had to roll them, sucks. Could still go most places off-road but it was way more work than I usually wanted to do.

Enter the Strom. All day comfortable on the road even with the stock seat. Off-road though uh yea I'm not going down anything rougher than a dirt road. Mostly because it's heavy to pick up and I don't want to destroy it! Can't imagine a whoop out soft sand trail on it, ugh.
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raise it up
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mod the suspension maybe get clearance to 7-8"
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then just slow down a bit and you can likely get through most of it except deep mud and sand, logs etc. Pulse article was right on. Here's another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_QQEeW2gO4

and as you all know 95% of adventure riding is just getting to the adventure on the slab...strom wins again!
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