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post #1 of 34 Old 09-02-2016, 06:49 PM Thread Starter
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EPA: 4 gal Minimum Purchase

Just a few years ago the EPA included a 4 gallon minimum purchase from US gas pumps that sell mixed levels of ethanol.
They got push back from the AMA (2012). Now they are reintroducing the 4 gal minimum.
You can read the details HERE

I'm hoping that this thread can stay on point that this is a policy problem for motorcyclist and not a partisan bickering issue.
Here in California, not so many years after ethanol was introduced, there are only 18 registered gas stations that sell E0 (non-ethanol) gasoline. And with one exception they are all in rural towns.
You can search your own states for E0 stations in your state HERE That is a volunteer list so there is likely exceptions but it points out the scope of E15 advancement.


Once this gets into the Federal law via the EPA ...
Check it out and push back if you think you should.

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post #2 of 34 Old 09-02-2016, 07:15 PM
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And three of California's 18 E0 stations are in Ukiah. Lil' ol' Idaho has 178 stations. My bikes rarely get ethanol.

I've signed the AMA petitions and wrote my congressmen.
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That's OK my tank is 3.7gal and light comes up at 3.1. So it won't be too bad for environment it is only 0.6gal to pour on the ground.

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There is also an AP called pure gas. Shows all the stations selling non-ethanol close to you.
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"There is also an AP called pure gas. Shows all the stations selling non-ethanol close to you."

not all that handy when touring the country side.
When I wrote to my representative telling how bad it was for cars,etc, she thanked me and took the envelope from the industry.
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After reading the link, I'm not sure why they are introducing a 4 gallon minimum and how they are actually going to enforce it.
Can anyone enlighten me on these points?
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AMA's website quotes an EPA response to its letter, saying that the 4-gallon minimum would apply to fewer than 1% of fueling stations, i.e., those that have pumps that dispense both E10 and E15, in order to prevent motorcycles and the like from getting E15 inadvertently. That makes it sound a little less onerous. Here's the quote:

Dispensing E10 in volumes less than 4 gallons from a pump that supplies E10 only is absolutely NOT a violation.

The excerpted portion you highlighted should refer only to the less than 1% of gas stations that have gasoline pumps that that dispense BOTH E10 and E15 from a single hose or nozzle. The 4 gallon fueling minimum for E10 is only required for these “co-dispensing pumps” and is there to protect consumers. The 4 gallon minimum ensures that engines, that are not allowed to use E15 (like those in motorcycles) do not inadvertently get too much ethanol in the tank. To comply with EPA regulations, most stations with co-dispensing pumps simply put up a sign that says the co-dispensing pump may only be used for passenger vehicles and separately offer a dedicated E10 pump for motorcycles and other engines that cannot use E15. Motorcyclists or other types of vehicles and engines that require E10 in volumes of less than 4 gallons should not have a problem finding E10 in any volume they need.
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AMA's website quotes an EPA response to its letter, saying that the 4-gallon minimum would apply to fewer than 1% of fueling stations, i.e., those that have pumps that dispense both E10 and E15, ...[SNIP] The excerpted portion you highlighted should refer only to the less than 1% of gas stations that have gasoline pumps that that dispense BOTH E10 and E15 from a single hose or nozzle.... [SNIP} Motorcyclists or other types of vehicles and engines that require E10 in volumes of less than 4 gallons should not have a problem finding E10 in any volume they need.
The EPA's response is completely true today, Sept 7 2016. However, the problem for us is that if the 4 gal minimum becomes codified and deemed to be an adequate resolution it creates the path to eliminate the E10 solo pumps and add E15 and E20 combo pumps to take their place.

There is nothing in my experience that tells me that the industry won't leave us high and dry in a squabble over a limited amount of pump real estate unless we stand up to it. While one can only guess what the time frame might be, but certainly it could happen in two or three years. Even if it takes five years, I want to keep riding a lot longer than that without having to search for specialized fueling stations.

In the big picture we are pretty much invisible to the lobbyists, bureaucrats and members of congress if we let ourselves be.

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Take the CAGE and three five-gallon cans and fill up the cans.

And then gas up your cycle at home.

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Eventually, I expect, they'll cram down that E20 and make lesser blends against the law - and that'll meet their REAL end, which is putting us on their stupid buses.
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Take the CAGE and three five-gallon cans and fill up the cans.

And then gas up your cycle at home.

Scroom.

Eventually, I expect, they'll cram down that E20 and make lesser blends against the law - and that'll meet their REAL end, which is putting us on their stupid buses.
Would be okay at home, but not on a trip. Plus, it's a bit of a hassle if you simply want to ride your bike and fill it as you go.

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