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post #2621 of 2632 Old 06-07-2019, 12:39 PM
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I suspect it is the new CK4 rating. They just also released a multi-vehicle T6 that is gas rated.


That oil is listed as 10W30.

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As long as you understand JASO specifications, all three of them ( MA, MA2, MB), are only covering friction standards that leaves some question if the new T-6 is acceptable.

To meet JASO specs an oil MUST MEET other standards. API, ILSAC, ACEA all have certifications. JASO certification requires oil to meet at least one of those levels.

Since JASO in itself is not a test or grading of oil beyond how it works with internal friction components, you have to rely on what other standards the oil may meet. And remember oil companies do not normally send there oil to JASO for testing, but certify in house.

While T-6 5/15-40 carry the JASO MA2 rating, neither carry an API class SG, SH, SJ,SL, SM, SN. They do carry API CK4 and similar DIESEL designations. We know T-6 is safe for use in wet clutches from the JASO MA2 designation. But we cannot prove it is ok for API SM use for instance. In fact Shell says it is not approved for that.

I know the manual says JASO or API in some cases. Maybe some assumptions built into that. I don't know. But I did call Shell when they came out with the "new" T-6 and the tech said they changed the formula and no longer certify it for use in gasoline engines.

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May I take it JASO MA2 API/SM is pretty decent stuff for my ride?

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The only thing with a higher rating would be API SN instead of SM.

BUT.....sometimes even that is misleading. The later/higher letter series might be better oil but meant for later design engines. Meaning it may have reduced levels of certain additives that might be a problem for sensors or something like that. For instance some older oils ( SH, SL ) would have had a LOT more zinc or moly additives in them. Which are great for reducing wear in certain high pressure areas of an engine. But not so great for sensors and convertors.

Bottom line, either SM or SN is going to work just fine. For the most part, unless listed as such, API requires the latest oils to be safe and approved for all previous oil classes. Again, there have been exceptions ( think the Diesel CK4 that Ford would not approve for use in its engines, there have been gasoline engine issues as well).
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Had anyone tried the Shell Advance Ultra Motorcycle oil? It's a 10w-40 Synthetic. ? Advanced Auto Parts started selling it in the motorcycle section. Its priced upwards of 12.00per qt.

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Had anyone tried the Shell Advance Ultra Motorcycle oil? It's a 10w-40 Synthetic. ? Advanced Auto Parts started selling it in the motorcycle section. Its priced upwards of 12.00per qt.
Yes....I liked it every bit as much if not more than Mobil1 4T, plus all new Ducati's come factory filled with it now.

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Yes....I liked it every bit as much if not more than Mobil1 4T, plus all new Ducati's come factory filled with it now.
I am going to go to 10-40 Mobil 1 4t in the Beemer. Ran Liqui-Moly 5-40 the last three changes. Supposed to be magical, like other ester based oils. At 7143 miles on this change and it has shifted poorly for about 3000 of that. So much for magical oil that is so much better than other common stuff! I am supposed to run 5-40 in the Beemer, but out of warranty so I want to try the 10-40 to see if it softens shifting any at extended miles.

Didn't know about the Shell, might have tried that. Always next time!
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I may run the Shell Advance again, but I have to go to dealership to buy it.....and I'm known to spend more money than intended when I go there. LOL Mobil1 4T I can get that and a K&N filter at Advance Auto, at least when they have it in stock. I have no good reason to switch, as M4T has been overall the best oil I've used IMHO.
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I have the Mobil 1 4T here. Going in as soon as I can get time to prep the bike for the trip. Heading to New York in a couple weeks. Probably 4500 miles or so. That will be enough to tell me if it is better than Liqui-Moly........

Having it available just about everywhere is a big plus to me. That is what I liked about the Shell Rotella T-6 5-40 when I used it. It was cheap too. But it worked and met/exceeded all BMW specs for the new RT. I ran the Rotella 15-40 many times in other bikes. Might try the new T-6 15-40 in the DL 650 next.

I don't think there is a magic oil. As far as engine wear goes, all will protect the bearings, rings, pistons well enough that I won't ever wear them out. But there is some difference in how some effect shifting, especially as miles add up. Curious about the Mobil 1.....
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I tried a lot of oils in the Vee so far and Mobil 4t is the only one I’ve been happy with shifting wise. I do want to try amsoil maybe next change, but I’m in no rush as I can’t say anything bad about Mobil.

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