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post #2591 of 2632 Old 06-04-2019, 11:36 AM
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All oils shear.

I have been running liqui-Moly in the Beemer the last three oil changes. Full synthetic German made Ester based oil. Shifts worse by 4000 miles. Not as good at shifting late in the oils life as the T-6 I used to run.

There is a difference in oils. But you really have to try them in YOUR bike with your riding style to confirm any difference. If you change your oil at 3000 miles, I honestly don't think there is any real reason to buy anything but cheaper oils. History will back that up.

I have 7,143 miles on the Liqui-Moly in the Beemer now. Going to get it hot and change it right away. Send it off for a UOA. Meanwhile I am going to go to Mobil 1 4T 10-40. Bike is supposed to have 5-40 but that isn't common. 10-40 will be fine and a good test. It could actually be better at shear as miles pile up. Warranty is out, I am free to experiment!
Maybe I should clarify. I run the 10W40 Amsoil in my 650 and my wife's spyder. At 4,643 miles the oil had not sheared out of the 40 weight viscosity. On the Spyder it did not shear below a 40 weight viscosity in 9,666 miles. Shifting doesn't seem to change and Blackstone says I can run it longer.

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Yes, that may be the case. But there is shear. Some engines/drivetrains are more sensitive to oil properties. I have yet to find an oil in a motorcycle that shifted as well at 4-6,000 miles as it did the day it was changed. But, that does not mean it shifts badly, just that there is a degradation.

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Internet lore and fact are way different things.

Just like we all heard the story about a friends friends, friend who went out to eat and started feeling ill. Went to the hospital and after testing the doctors found urine or feces in their stomach. Then when the doctor asks what they ate recently they remember that since they felt ill they got their food packed in a doggy bag. The food was tested and guess what was found? When the question the restaurant they found out the waiter or cook had been doing this to all the food................

I hear ya, but common.......its not even for gasoline engines anymore :P
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"Rotella T6 is NOT the same as it was"

Always read the label. The jugs of Rotella i get say JASO on them. i understand that to mean motorcycle friendly?
It's always handy to read entries that keep one up to date on products.
JASO is a Japanese certification. For motorcycles it should specify JASO "MA" or "MA/MA2".
API, (American Petroleum Institute), is a US certification. SL/SN for gas, CJ-4/ CK-4 for diesel.
I don't know if API has a motorcycle rating. If not it could be because american motorcycles, (i.e. Harley), don't share the same oil in engine and transmission.
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JASO is a Japanese certification. For motorcycles it should specify JASO "MA" or "MA/MA2".
API, (American Petroleum Institute), is a US certification. SL/SN for gas, CJ-4/ CK-4 for diesel.
I don't know if API has a motorcycle rating. If not it could be because american motorcycles, (i.e. Harley), don't share the same oil in engine and transmission.
Here are the ratings for "SHELL ROTELLA® T6 FULL SYNTHETIC DIESEL OIL"(from Shell's PDF):


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OEM SPECIFICATIONS AND APPROVALS
5W-40
API: CK-4, CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4 ACEA E9, JASO DH-2, Cummins CES 20086; Volvo
VDS-4.5; Detroit Fluid Specification DDC (DFS) 93K222, Caterpillar ECF-2/ECF-3, MAN
M3575, JASO MA/ MA2, Allison TES 439, MB-Approval 228.31

Even T6 15w40 meets JASO specs:

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SPECIFICATIONS AND APPROVALS
Shell Rotella® T6 15W-40
API, CK-4, CJ-4, ACEA E9, JASO DH-2, MA/MA 2; Caterpillar ECF-2,
ECF-3; Cummins CES 20086; DDC DFS 93K222;
MB-Approval 228.31; Volvo VDS-4.5; Ford WSS-M2C171-F1;
Allison TES 439, MAN 3775; MACK EOS-4.5
T5 15w40 doesn't mention JASO standards.

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Does the fact that an oil is JASO mean it meets API specs? i didnt think it did. I wasnt sure what the above was implying. For instance, i think the manual states the oil should be API SJ (or similar) and JASO

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Does the fact that an oil is JASO mean it meets API specs? i didnt think it did. I wasnt sure what the above was implying. For instance, i think the manual states the oil should be API SJ (or similar) and JASO
I don't know (and I think people spend too much time thinking about) it but I suspect if it meets JASO that is all it really needs as that is what they would use in Japan.

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Conventional 15W40 meets the Jaso standards.


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Just like API here in the US, JASO has categories. For a reason. You can buy API oil in straight 30 weight that might meet API SE. But that is considered obsolete. Current designations are SL, SJ, SM, and SN. Manufacturers will state what is approved. For instance, they may approve an API SM oil, but not an API SN! Due to levels of certain additives either missing to too high to meet their standard.

For our purpose ( riding and maintaining motorcycles ) JASO has only to due with friction modifiers. Those components that lessen friction to meet energy conserving standards for one, and another type that can leave behind a coating or film on parts ( like Moly ).

The absolute worst thing that can happen with a non JASO approved motorcycle oil is you coat the clutch plates and they slip some. Even that is HIGHLY unlikely, as much as I deal with clutches I have yet to come across a confirmed case of that.

Then there is viscosity........

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Conventional 15W40 meets the Jaso standards.
Yes, it meets JASO standards. Both of the most current ones. That is because there are applications in diesel engines and heavy equipment where this oil is used and can be in a friction plate environment.

BUT....it does not meet API certifications for gasoline engines. Only for diesel.

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