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post #2531 of 2560 Old 04-08-2019, 09:51 PM
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So Rotella isnít really Jaso certified either?
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Look at the bottom left corner of the lower picture and you'll see the Jaso stuff.

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Look at the bottom left corner of the lower picture and you'll see the Jaso stuff.

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I see that but it was stated to be certified it has to be in a box. Not sure how a manufacturer can put it on their label without a lawsuit if it wasn't true.
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An online PDF of the owner's manual for the Suzuki DL650 VStrom, model year unknown. Check your bike's owner's manual for verification and any model year changes or updates.

Page 48 of this PDF shows the JASO (Japanese Automobile Standards Organization) certification mark, the box with the MA in it.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/10...page=48#manual

Page 49 of this PDF shows the API (American Petroleum Institute) certification mark, the "donut".
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/10...page=49#manual

These are the certification marks issued by these organizations to motor oil manufacturers who have put their oils through the certification/licensing process of each organization. No certification mark on the bottle, no certification sought or given, just claims that their oil "meets the performance requirements of..." (as seen on that Rotella bottle), but without actually being put through the process of certification. That Rotella bottle, there is no actual JASO MA certification mark on it; this tells me JASO has not certified Rotella to meet the requirements of an oil used in a Japanese 4-stroke, wet clutch motorcycle engine. Shell just states this Rotella meets the performance requirements of JASO MA/MA2 without actually having it certified as such by JASO. Same as the Amsoil I just put in my bike. (Note that Rotella bottle's API donut only has a certification for diesel engine use, CK-4, which supersedes previous diesel certifications, it does not certify for gasoline engines at all, the "S" classifications, nor the JASO classifications.)

Here is a bit of info about the JASO MA standards-
https://www.penriteoil.com.au/assets...0JASO%20MB.pdf

I came across another reference (that I now can't find... went through so many in the past while) that API no longer certifies motor oil for motorcycle use, not since back in the SF or SG days (if that is what I actually found...), and those API classifications are now obsolete, you won't find API donut marks on the retailer shelf with those obsolete "S" classifications. API Engine Oil Classification

I'm learning new stuff this evening... What I am finding as I sit here looking is that regardless of oil brand, mineral or synthetic, viscosity weight, API designation, and everything else, is that for a motorcycle engine built by any of the Japanese manufacturers that utilizes a wet clutch that shares its lubricant with the engine, the oil that you should be looking for will be certified and properly labeled to meet JASO MA (MA, MA1, MA2, or some combination), just like our owner's manual states. Whether you choose an oil that simply states (i.e. claims) it meets the JASO MA standards (like the Amsoil I used, or the Rotella some of you used, etc.), or if the bottle is actually marked with the JASO certification mark which (I guess) guarantees that the oil meets the JASO requirements, that is up to you. I'm not here to debate, I'm only putting forth the information that Suzuki and the oil manufacturers and marketers provide to us. We just need to know how to properly read and interpret that information, to separate claims from facts.

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Iím not looking to debate either, I didnít know there was a specific mark and when I googled pictures of oil bottles I couldnít find any. I will look when Iím at the store.


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I suppose it would keep me all warm inside if the oil's had the marks, but again its not a sign of which is best for your bike. I just realized the Mobil 4t i use doesn't have the Jaso box, but they do self certify it on there. I used to always look for that, and there would be a time i wouldnt buy if it didnt. The Ecstar and Spectro oil's have it, but performance wise i'll take the mobil, in my case anyway. I'll prob do an analysis this year and i wouldnt expect any issue's. It probably has something to do with limits on certain additives. Maybe Mobil and Amsoil have the cache to say heck with that, who knows.

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And if you really want to minimize your per-quart cost, a 3-pack of the big jug put you at $4.31/qt.

Thanks. Yeah, I noticed that. By the time you posted about the quart-size containers, and I got time to get to Amazon, the full-synthetic was gone (or didn't appear, for me). I ended up buying the semi-synthetic option you pointed us to (thanks, again).

I considered the 3-pack gallon-size (for cost), but decided against, as, so far, I've always changed the oil filter at same time as the oil, and it's convenient for me to just pour in 3 quarts and call it done. On my 2012 Wee, that puts it on the high side of the full line, but not much.


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Yet MANY for years and years have been running 40 weight car oil in their bikes with no issues......go figure. I say poo poo on the "official" ratings and standards, if it works it works.

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...Maybe Mobil and Amsoil have the cache to say heck with that, who knows.
They have probably done the market research and found that most people buy oil based on the pretty picture on the front, and don't read the back anyway, so why spend the money for the certification?
(And considering that just about any modern oil will work fine, why not have the prettiest picture on the shelf in your garage?)

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...By the time you posted about the quart-size containers, and I got time to get to Amazon, the full-synthetic was gone (or didn't appear, for me).
Castrol full synth is back in stock on Amazon, FYI. $37.06 for 6-pack, free shipping.
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Went to OíRiellys today. No oil marked like the manual shows.
I will continue the search...


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