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post #1 of 15 Old 05-19-2008, 08:59 PM Thread Starter
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Gotta know, is this any good? Lots of pictures!

I bought a jacket from Ebay and starting to wonder if I should trust it in a fall. I've been wearing it for about a month and seems fine. My previous jacket was a Firstgear jaunt and this one actually feels like it has better armor. They say it has CE approved armor and uses 500 Denier "Cordula", they misspelled cordura. It has elbow, shoulder and back armor that's made of a hard type foam. Anyone else have one of these jackets? Here's the link.

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Generally, any protective garment is as safe as 1) the fabric of which it's made, and 2) the strength of its seams. There are three things you want in protective gear: Abrasion resistance (material), joint impact protection (armor), and structural integrity (seams, or the ability of the material/seams to hold together in a slide).

Leather wins hands-down in the abrasion-resistance department. As with everything, there are tradeoffs. Leather is much hotter in summer months, for example, so going with cooler materials is a risk you have to decide if you want to take. I personally can't stand leather in 90+ degrees stop-and go commuting, so as soon as it gets hot I switch to an armored mesh jacket for commuting.

If the armor is CE approved, that's fairly decent, although (ABS?) stiff armor that is foam-backed is best in an impact. 500 denier sounds OK for a jacket; the middle-road Tourmaster, Fieldsheer and the like are usually a little heavier material. Seams should be at least double-stitched to help keep them from tearing apart.

FWIW, I did a Google search for that brand. and there is NO mention of it anywhere I could find.

Not trying to make you feel bad about your purchase; it may be a fine jacket; hard to tell just from pics. What are all those clips on the back for, anyway?

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Looks OK

I don't always trust the claims in ebay ads, but based on what it says in the ad, the jacket should be as protective as most other "budget" gear. From my standpoint this would mean that it will help you avoid most major injuries and road rash at speeds below 40 MPH. At higher speeds the risks increase, and there is no way around that. The type of gear that can be almost fully protective at high speeds tends to be either too expensive or too uncomfortable for a whole lot of folks. The reality is that we all make our personal compromises about gear. Until recently, my summer jacket was a First Gear Mesh Tex. I read some first hand reports that "full mesh" jackets (including that one) can fail pretty completely in a sliding crash. I've now upgraded to an Olympia Airglide which has mesh panels but a lot of solid 500 Denier Cordura. Its still not Leather, Kevlar, or a Halvarssons, but those are all impractical for my needs.

Finally: any decent gear that you wear ALL THE TIME is far, far, better than "skipping" gear because its uncomfortable or too expensive.

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Nice looking jacket.
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Not trying to make you feel bad about your purchase; it may be a fine jacket; hard to tell just from pics. What are all those clips on the back for, anyway?
Looking at the jacket it "seems" to have some quality. All the stitching is double sewn and it uses different thicker material on elbows, shoulder and back. The is surprisingly heavy if that means anything. The clips and the piece on the back is a built in back pack. The clips attach to rings along the shoulders to form the pack. The back pack stores away in a pocket at the bottom.

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Until recently, my summer jacket was a First Gear Mesh Tex. I read some first hand reports that "full mesh" jackets (including that one) can fail pretty completely in a sliding crash.
Wow, my other riding gear is a Firstgear leather mesh jacket and mesh pants! Hopefully the leather mesh jacket will do better. I wear the mesh pants over shorts to stay cool on hot days.


So how does a person know if they have good protective clothing? How does a person know if the armor is CE certified? Is there a label that says CE certified? How does one know it the jacket really uses cordura in it's construction? From my understanding cordura is a type of nylon so the label would read 100% nylon. If I compare this jacket to my Firstgear jaunt I would probably prefer the Odes because it feels heavier, has thicker armor and protective thicker material on the elbows, shoulders and back. I'm not saying the jacket is better but how do you tell? I would hate to find out while sliding down the road.

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Wow, my other riding gear is a Firstgear leather mesh jacket and mesh pants! Hopefully the leather mesh jacket will do better. I wear the mesh pants over shorts to stay cool on hot days.
If by leather mesh you mean perforated leather, you are fine. I should have been more specific that the problem is with textile mesh jackets that are almost entirely mesh. In a sliding crash, these will almost certainly be sliding on mesh, which quickly heats, melts, and then fails completely. If the most likely sliding areas are leather, or even a good grade of Cordura, this situation becomes unlikely.

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So how does a person know if they have good protective clothing? How does a person know if the armor is CE certified? Is there a label that says CE certified? How does one know it the jacket really uses cordura in it's construction? From my understanding cordura is a type of nylon so the label would read 100% nylon. If I compare this jacket to my Firstgear jaunt I would probably prefer the Odes because it feels heavier, has thicker armor and protective thicker material on the elbows, shoulders and back. I'm not saying the jacket is better but how do you tell? I would hate to find out while sliding down the road.
CE armor typically has "CE" (and possibly even some more text) printed or embossed on the armor itself. For example, the elbow armor in my Olympia is embossed with "CE EN 1621-1" along with some manufacturer's part numbers etc... Cordura is a Dupont trademark, so if it says Cordura right on the label, that is good. Different weights are used, some as low as 330 Denier (not as good) and some as high as 1620 Denier (on impact points -- very good). If there is more cloth -- as in another layer -- at the common impact/slide points that is even better.

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I pulled the armor out and no where does it say "CE", not even a part #. The armor has a softer blue material on the inside and a harder foam on the outside. The picture below is the back protector.





In addition to the removable back protector the jacket uses more protection sewn into the back.



This is the material that is used in the elbows. Seems very strong but I have no idea what the material is.





The label data.



Picture of entire jacket. Excuse the foot.

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That back protector looks just like the one out of my Joe Rocket Phoenix. It seems fairly substantial.

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That IS a Joe Rocket Jacket, no doubt about it.

They must sell unlabeled or seconds to other companies because I have seen other riders wearing what was obviously a JR jacket without the JR logos, and with some other more "generic" logo. One that comes to mind is branded "First Ride".

Looks okay to me.

My CE armor in my Olympia has a part number but no "CE" markings.

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