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post #1 of 27 Old 04-24-2008, 10:32 AM Thread Starter
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Tourance EXP vs Tourance

I need to re-tire my DL650 soon and must choose between the new EXP Tourance and the older Tourances like those I now have mounted and like. I don't want to pass up an improvement if that's what the EXP presents. I've searched and got a lot of hits but all were speculation on how the EXP would be compared to the "older" Tourance, but no one reporting on their experience with them, except a few reports that seemed to be outliers (one worn out at 4k miles in Mexico, another a wobble on decel).
Anybody here that's had them on for a while care to comment?
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I had high hopes for this tire. At 2308 miles half the tread depth was gone and it was squaring off. My typical roads and loads yielded just under 8000 miles on the Tourance, and they only square off slightly towards the end. That means if this tire continues to wear the same it will be off in less than 5000 miles (for comparison, I do not run my tires to the threads).

The EXP is a good tire. It's stick is more confidence inspiring than the old Tourance for sure, but it is wearing out faster. Also the tread is just not aggressive enough for the occasional trouble I get into off-highway. On the basis of price and multi-surface grip I'll return to an Anakee on the rear.

I'm still waiting for others to comment on the steep profile of the EXP. It might account for some of the enhanced handling differences some have noted. All I know that I'm no where near the edge on this tire, where I regularly get to the edge of most tires of the same size.

Mine is off the bike right now, but I'll remount it for a trip at the end of May, so hopefully I can update the wear report later.
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Wearing fast, steep profile, squares off quickly

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I've had both to some extent. I bought the bike 8 months ago with the original style Tourances and what I estimated to be about 30% tread left on the rear, unknown age. After about 6 months and 5,000 miles, I decided it was time to replace the rear because it was pretty squared off and at mimimum safe tread depth. I wanted the original style because I have heard that they wear longer. My prefered shop said they could only get the EXP model, so I got those - front and rear.

I have to say that the new tires handle markedly better than the old. Mind you, this is a new tire to old tire comparison, not new to new. The old front tire tracked badly in "vertical" groves in the road, the new tire doesn't notice those grooves.

Cornering in general is so much better. The old, squared off rear decidedly tipped into turns. The new rounder one has no transition effect. The EXPs feel stickier as well. Stickiness and longevity are generally mutually exclusive. I don't have a tread depth gauge, so I can't tell you how much I've worn off in the last 2,000 miles, but it's not visible to my untrained eye. If I get 10,000 miles, I'll be happy with that, given their very good pavement and dirt road manners.

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I had the Tourances on for 12,000 mi. Replaced at the 2.0 mm safe tread depth for the rear that the manual recommends. They are a huge upgrade over the stock in terms of wear and handling. My experience was that squaring off was much less pronounced than stock.

I replaced with EXPs. MUCH stickier, amazing handling. But much poorer life. I'm estimating I'm about a third to a half way through the tread with 3K miles on them. I haven't noticed much if any squaring off though. I think the rubber compound is supposed to get stickier as you approach the edges so the sides wear faster. Anyone confirm?

I think I'll probably go back to the tourances based on wear life alone, but if I had the money to replace tires more often I would probably stick the EXPs for their handling capabilities.

Trail handling for both tires is about the same.

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I have EXP om my Vee and they feel great I had to cahnge the tires when I got the bike in November as the old Trailwings had been laid up for 6 months and I had no confidence in them. This is my first DP bike and the EXP give great feedback, I have been able to lean the bike all the way to the blobs on the foot pegs in the dry, have only done about 1500 miles so far and they still have the look of new tires
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a stickier tire compound imply quicker tire wear? You stick to the road, so you leave more rubber on it. It makes sense, at least in my warped little mind. Can one actually expect equal wear between a more sticky and a less sticky tire?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a stickier tire compound imply quicker tire wear? You stick to the road, so you leave more rubber on it. It makes sense, at least in my warped little mind. Can one actually expect equal wear between a more sticky and a less sticky tire?
I suppose if the sticky tire came with more tread depth to begin with its possible, but in general I believe your correct. For exp vs reg tourance i didn't expect it to last as long. Also didn't expect to get only half the life from it...

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a stickier tire compound imply quicker tire wear? You stick to the road, so you leave more rubber on it. It makes sense, at least in my warped little mind. Can one actually expect equal wear between a more sticky and a less sticky tire?
The claim, or maybe just the pre-production hope at least, is that the tire is manufactured with a variation of material so that you have longer wearing properties on the top and grippier properties on the side.
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Thumbs up I'm running EXP

I've had the EXPs on now for just over 3000 miles. I have NOT run the regular Tourance. I *really* like these tires. They are wearing fairly fast but my aggressive riding and rough roads eat up most brands. The more I ride these, the more I'm convinced that I'll buy another set, despite the wear. I doubt I'll get 6000 miles out of the rear. For reference I only got 9000 out of the Trailwings and 5000 out of a Continental Road Attack (which was great at first but got really awful after 3000 miles).

For my riding style, where *on pavement* stickiness is essential, including wet, sand and gravel on the road, dry, broken pavement, paint stripes, etc... these are the right tires for the job. I don't want to sacrifice that level of confidence for more miles. I only log about 9000 miles a year, so I can see how someone who rides a lot more, especially LONG tours, might want more mileage.

I don't do off-road, and only very limited off-pavement (maybe 3%). When aired down for off pavement, these tires do just great for my limited needs.

Finally: yes they DO have an especially steep profile, and I'm sure that helps with the handling. Anybody who wears these all the way to the edge is doing something I'd never want to consider. Mine have maybe 1/2" strips and only the tips of the elephant's ears are worn off.
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