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post #1 of 26 Old 05-20-2014, 01:25 PM Thread Starter
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Hello All!

My first post.

This site reminds me of Thumper Talk! Especially the debates on what bike is best.

I don't want to start one of those. I'm thinking the smaller bike is safer due to less power, but because of where I live, I may need the Vee. Anyone from the high country with miles on both bikes?

I've got some V-Strom fever! My V Strom will be used 90% roads, dirt roads, twisties, but still some open road, occasional hwy and 2-up. I get my single track fix on my smokers

Glad to have stumbled on to this forum!!

I live near Vail, CO. Most of my riding will be above a mile high and sometimes 2 miles high.

I have a YZ250 and YZ125 2 stroke. Both 2006. Raced a lot but mostly trail ride now. I'm an accomplished rider but not that many road miles.

I'm going to get a leg up on a Vee and a Wee in the next 24 hours. I like the concept of a smaller bike and that's why I have 125's. I also want to stay in one piece so less power seems safer for the most part.

Having said that, I'm in big mountains and when I get out of the mountains, there are some long flats out toward Moab for example.

Looking for some feedback from riders at altitude. I did a search but not too much jumped out at me specifically on altitude.

I can get a good deal from private parties locally. Plan on spending $4000-6000. Looking for low mile rigs.

Thanks in advance and sorry if this sounds like a "what is better thread". In a nutshell, what happens to the 650's up here on the big passes? All motors loose about 20% power.
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post #2 of 26 Old 05-20-2014, 01:32 PM Thread Starter
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I also meant to ask if one has a better resale or more of a demand.

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post #3 of 26 Old 05-20-2014, 01:37 PM
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I had no issues at over 10,000 feet on my heavily loaded 2006 DL650. I am sure the DL1000 would have more power reserve.

Which is better is probably best saved tfor al the 650 vs 100 debate threads.

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Around here the 1000's seem to really hold the value, I think it's because they didn't make nearly as many of them.

Both bikes have a very high resale value though.

I'm not sure of how well this compares but I'm 275lbs and had my 650 in the adirondack mountains on the weekend. I never once wished for more power, although I did have to downshift on some hills or it would lose some steam.

I considered the 1000 but I wanted the insurance rates, fuel range and MPG over the power. It's all in what you want. I wouldn't say that either one is safer. The 650 is maybe .6 seconds slower in the 1/4 mile and about 10mph less top speed.

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I live/ride in high country. Live in a valley 4,000 ft above sea level and ride mountain passes up to 10,000. Some dirt riding up to 12,000 (on a DR). Mostly ride good and bad pavement and occasional hard dirt/gravel. Don't ride much two up. I'm sure I'd be happy with either bike but I prefer the 650. All the power I need. Will do a 100+. A few pounds lighter. I think it comes down to personal preference. Some may prefer/need a few more horsepower. Me I'm good.

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post #6 of 26 Old 05-20-2014, 02:23 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the quick responses.

One of the reasons I got going on a road bike is because of the fun factor, but also tired of putting gas in my Tundra!

So cost is a motivating factor but not a deal breaker.
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Either one will be a big improvement over the Tundra for mpg! My Wee is much better on gas than my Taco which is why that sits most of the summer unless I'm going fishing in the canoe.

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First year I had my used 650, the dealer did a service with throttle body sync. The bike had been bogging a bit at altitude when I bought it. Anyway, after the service, I left for a two week trip fairly loaded and was climbing the east slope of Monarch Pass in 5th gear and it was pulling great. I was impressed.

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I used to live at 3,500 feet and rode regularly between 5,500-6,300 feet. I could feel the loss at that extra altitude on every bike I rode.....DL1000, Versys 650, Yamaha FZ1, etc. Whether carb or EFI equipped, they were all too rich at the higher altitude and would require a rejet or EFI tuning to pull fuel out to match the reduced amount of air available. The worst was the Versys 650, only having 60hp on hand and taking a loss was really bad, to me, the bike was near useless. The FZ1 with 123hp at the rear wheel was the best, it seemed to be affected the least and figures, it had good old fashioned carbs.

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I'm a Colorado Native. The fuel injection and computer controls does a lot to compensate for density altitude. Won't completely do it,but.........
Without getting into the theory of why, you will find the Wee very capable at high altitude. If you really want the extra zip of a ltr bike then go for the big Vee. But I find the Wee has plenty to do what you need. The difference comes under the heading of "never enough".
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