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post #1 of 29 Old 12-27-2013, 01:12 AM Thread Starter
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White Gasoline (Camping Gas)

QUESTION: In an EMERGENCY, Could I run white gasoline (camping stove fuel) in a 2013 DL650A Gladius "Glee Strom" ?

Discussion: I am sure that there are many variables, such as how diluted the mixture is and how far (how long) I would run on white gas.

I am intending to be a State and National Park Bum and travel the Gulf States and the 4-Corners States and to mostly (pretty much always) be camping out and doing maintenance and repairs on the road or (shudder) at a dealership.

I can only carry so much stuff and I will already be carrying some quantity of white gas and SLX (denatured alcohol) ... So ... I am just wondering if I might make use of those fuels in an emergency and how much worse it would be to run on pure white gas (if I should run bone dry) or if I add a gallon of white gas to a half-full tank (~3 gals) ...?

As far as SLX Denatured alcohol goes, I figure that it could be used if it did not exceed 10% or maybe even 15% or 20% *IF* it was just a one time thing, or extremely infrequent ... Just wondering.

I doubt anyone has any direct experience with this. I once watched a guy top up a Japanese cruiser with diesel fuel, before he realized his error ... I told him that I would find a way to empty the tank (he said it was about 40% full when he topped it off with diesel and he actually thought he could get away with "running it through" ... DOH!) ...

What do you folks think? ... What is your logic ? 2013 DL650A ABS Adventure.

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White gas has an octane rating of around 50 and zero additives. The bike may not start on straight WG and if it does, expect it to cough, knock and ping in unbelievable ways. If it was a true emergency and you didn't care about possible long term damage, adding white gas to a half full tank may be a viable option of last resort.

I have owned two diesel Land Cruisers... modern engines with their computer control and refinement can't take a fraction of the punishment those diesels could. You could almost put olive oil in the tank and it would still take you home!

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White gas has an octane rating of around 50 and zero additives. The bike may not start on straight WG and if it does, expect it to cough, knock and ping in unbelievable ways. If it was a true emergency and you didn't care about possible long term damage, adding white gas to a half full tank may be a viable option of last resort.
Well ... Luckily, my Coleman Exponent Multi-Fuel Stove does run on UNLEADED GASOLINE (automobile gasoline) ... I guess I COULD just run the stove off of unleaded, even though it is not as clean-burning and the fumes are more noxious than white gas (for cooking) ... Still, given my expressed application of hard-core, long-distance motorcycle camping, it is clear that I would be better off just running unleaded automobile gasoline in my camp stove and I would have "that much" extra in emergency reserve, for my Glee-Strom.

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I have the same Coleman stove but retired it. O rings in the pump shrink in cold weather and it would not pressurize till warm. I replaced mine with a dragonfly stove
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I like it much better and use unleaded gas in it.
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Back in the day the MAIN product was a Coleman Mantle Lanterns

The Mantles are basically something that chars to a catalytic converter. The Lead in most fuels would coat and poison the mantle so it wouldn't work. AMOCO High Test of the time was UNleaded and though MORE volatile then Coleman fuel it was fine in all Coleman stuff.

Just the feel of Coleman juice would indicate to me it is a LARGER molecule than Gas.

If it was push or try it .. I would try it but it sounds as a poor plan. There are a few responsible ways of carrying a spare Gallon.

If you buy a NEW gas can you get the TREE hugger Nozzle which basically makes it unsafe to travel (bastards). Thanks to the commercial sector you can buy a separate old fashion cap for $7 on Amazon... There you go.
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If white camping gas is a purer form of regular naptha, I'd say the bike won't run on it very well at all. Seafoam (regular naptha and isopropanol) doesn't work well in my v-twin lawn tractor when the concentration is ~50% as I accidentally found out. I wouldn't recommend it.....
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Go to your local Liquor store and pick up a handle of Everclear or Golden Grain... 190 Proof booze.

Put it in your tank right before you run dry and you'd most likely equal out close to 85% alcohol. That'd be the same as E85 sold at many pumps across the US. E85 rates at approximately 110 Octane equivalency.

The bike should run on it, but I'd run it out and fill with unleaded 87 Octane as soon as possible.
E85/Flex Fuel vehicles have special rubber hoses and either use stainless steel or anodized aluminum components in the fuel system. Ethanol degrades standard rubber fuel line and corrodes bare aluminum parts if it's allowed to hang out for a while.

Additionally, the liquor should run your camping stove with no noxious fumes. Though you'll want to be VERY sure the flame is extinguished. In the sunlight, an alcohol flame is hard to see as it's very light blue.

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Back in about 1980 I set out with a buddy for a spring fishing trip 900 miles away. We (I) pushed on beyond my car's fuel capacity in search of cheaper gas. As we crested a hill in Arkansas it died ... silence ... maybe we can coast down to the next exit. Nope. Now what? We rummaged thru the car and found the Coleman white gas. It started right up but rattled like a diesel and smoked too. Dilution fixed it. Funny memory but not a good plan for your Strom.

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I have contemplated the same issue. For what its worth, one guy riding a Super Tenere said he ran it on white gas without a problem. You are probably stubborn, like me, and refuse to stop at a gas station unless your indicator is blinking - break that habit.

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How much fuel (white or unleaded) are you going to carry? How are you going to carry it? It seems to me that for much on the road you plan on living you'd have more than just a single bottle of fuel...So it seems to me like you could carry both fuels, and use the unleaded as a last option for your camp stove...

Have you considered a butane stove like this one?


The fuel canisters are very small and light and you don't have to worry about extra liquid fuel either...this is similar to what I use...

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