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post #1 of 30 Old 10-27-2013, 10:51 PM Thread Starter
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ABS experiences

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this being my first bike with ABS I'm curious about its operation and effectiveness. Ive braked quite hard but yet to experience it, dont want to deliberately invoke it and possibly drop the bike over it and then feel really stupid..

Would be interested to hear of any experiences, especially where it has actually saved you?

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ABS will stop you dropping the bike not cause you to drop it.
Find a dry straight flat stretch of road. Get up to 70-80 kph and VERY IMPORTANT make sure there is nobody behind you then grab the anchors as hard as you possibly can. Keep point straight ahead and you will feel the brakes pulsing as the pressure is applied and released. You will come to a very quick stop and wonder what all the fuss was about.
Now test what ABS is all about. Same stretch of road, same speed. Grab the anchors just as hard but this time swerve to avoid an imaginary object while keeping the brakes firmly applied in panic mode. Once you have done this you will know how ABS works and what it feels like when it's working. This is something every rider/driver of an ABS equipped vehicle should do otherwise the day you need ABS will be the day you panic and let go of the brakes just when you needed them most.
Unless you are familiar with what happens when the ABS kicks in other peoples experiences are absolutely no benefit to you.
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ABS will stop you dropping the bike not cause you to drop it.
Find a dry straight flat stretch of road. Get up to 70-80 kph and VERY IMPORTANT make sure there is nobody behind you then grab the anchors as hard as you possibly can. Keep point straight ahead and you will feel the brakes pulsing as the pressure is applied and released. You will come to a very quick stop and wonder what all the fuss was about.
Now test what ABS is all about. Same stretch of road, same speed. Grab the anchors just as hard but this time swerve to avoid an imaginary object while keeping the brakes firmly applied in panic mode. Once you have done this you will know how ABS works and what it feels like when it's working. This is something every rider/driver of an ABS equipped vehicle should do otherwise the day you need ABS will be the day you panic and let go of the brakes just when you needed them most.
Unless you are familiar with what happens when the ABS kicks in other peoples experiences are absolutely no benefit to you.
K thanks, will give it a go, was always my intention to try it, didnt mean that abs would cause me to drop it due to abs, I meant just by inducing a skid on purpose mighten be the best idea, but as you say best to become familiar with it...
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I meant just by inducing a skid on purpose mighten be the best idea,
Which proves you have an incorrect idea about ABS. The whole point of ABS is that you do NOT induce a skid and that no matter how hard you brake the wheels keep rotating and allow you to maneuver around objects. ABS by itself will not always shorten your stopping distance but it does allow you you to swerve to avoid things rather than skid and slide straight into them.
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Yes you can maneuver around the objects whilst braking - just remember that leaning uses up traction - your traction would be very limited at that point - you can still go down. Dont try grabbing a heap of brake on turns, you will fall, locking up or not.


It's not entirely true that there will be no skid marks - Vstrom, at least, has a totally reactive system - ie system needs to detect a lock up fist (Bosch algorithms) before released a pre-determined amount pressure - it does this until no lock up is detected. - If you are going fast enough and/or roads you ride on is not perfect causing suspension to momentarily skip, you will see momentary skid marks on dry paved road before system release.

I have both the 2008 wee and L2 Glee and already i did some testing over my favorite testing ground @ 11pm - L2 Glee does this calculation a lot faster and system is less obvious (ie hardly any skid marks when going pycho from 80km/hr)

check out the following video: should give a good idea and hopefully inspire you to do some practice, so you know what the system is capable of and how it feels. Note they are all from earlier gen Bosch system like the Wee has so you can see some momentary lock up

Emergency braking with an ABS-equipped motorcycle - YouTube

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These one is great with over-head shot - you could see new skid being laid down at the initial part of system until ABS kick in.

Suzuki ABS video - part 1 - dry paved surface - YouTube

and lastly:

Suzuki ABS video - part 2 - slippery road - YouTube


Note that there is no substitute with good braking skills - even for the "trained professionals" is still able to brake shorter in wet without ABS activation. Even the latest ABS takes time to react and work, so if you are able to practice braking hard enough without ABS activation, you will still stop shorter.

ABS releases lock up and does nothing more than that - essentially it gives a second chance if you lock up the brakes -

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But make sure your bike is actually one of the Wee models fitted with ABS (not all were, and if you have a Vee... they don't have ABS on any of the models).

This is just a precautionary word seeing as you didn't specify which bike you actually have.

EDIT: To answer your original question, yes it has saved me on at least two occasions.

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Which proves you have an incorrect idea about ABS. The whole point of ABS is that you do NOT induce a skid and that no matter how hard you brake the wheels keep rotating and allow you to maneuver around objects. ABS by itself will not always shorten your stopping distance but it does allow you you to swerve to avoid things rather than skid and slide straight into them.
No I don't have an incorrect idea about ABS.

The whole system of ABS works on skid detection, albeit for a nano second, but the system detect the wheel has stopped rotating relative to the vehicle speed.

I'm not stupid about how the system works was just reluctant to push it to its limits, which I have now done and it wasn't anything special and actually think my previous sports bikes pull up as quick without drama, its nothing special really n to have to brake THAT hard to bring it in, really tells me you've let things get WAY outta control anyway, NOT how I usually ride.
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But make sure your bike is actually one of the Wee models fitted with ABS (not all were, and if you have a Vee... they don't have ABS on any of the models).

This is just a precautionary word seeing as you didn't specify which bike you actually have.

EDIT: To answer your original question, yes it has saved me on at least two occasions.
sorry, 2012 AL2, def ABS.

Anyway tried it out .. nothing spectacular, but guess its worth having, just always used judgement and situation awareness n never had a bike skid on me before in hmmmm opens calculator .... 33yrs of biking... omg am I that old!!!
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Nice new bike you have by the sounds of it.

If you think your sports bikes pulled up as quick without fuss you weren't fully on the brakes on the Wee.

No matter how hard we all try to simulate a "panic stop", we never really get fully on it until the real thing occurs [recently did a heavy vehicle course on ABS braking and other panic situations... a requirement of my job, amazing how short a bus can stop under full on braking with ABS, thought we were hard on it until the instructors pushed us further with it ].

I found out yet again recently how quick a panic situation occurs, the result saw my '99 Goldwing sliding down the road in to the back of a car while I played "chicken" with a semi tipper coming the other way as I tumbled down the road sans bike. [meanwhile the cause- a girl texting- was oblivious to what she had caused ]

ABS would have saved the day, but the old Wing doesn't have it.

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Nice new bike you have by the sounds of it.

If you think your sports bikes pulled up as quick without fuss you weren't fully on the brakes on the Wee.

No matter how hard we all try to simulate a "panic stop", we never really get fully on it until the real thing occurs [recently did a heavy vehicle course on ABS braking and other panic situations... a requirement of my job, amazing how short a bus can stop under full on braking with ABS, thought we were hard on it until the instructors pushed us further with it ].

I found out yet again recently how quick a panic situation occurs, the result saw my '99 Goldwing sliding down the road in to the back of a car while I played "chicken" with a semi tipper coming the other way as I tumbled down the road sans bike. [meanwhile the cause- a girl texting- was oblivious to what she had caused ]

ABS would have saved the day, but the old Wing doesn't have it.
I'm hearing you mate, all taken onboard, n I accept all the points made here by kiwi and others AND appreciate the feedback.

Ive ridden bikes since 17, now 50! yikes that still freaks me, 49 was ok , but i'm a fossil now!! omg!

Didn't mean to come across as not taking the info, just I do understand how it works, was just a bit averse to push it, but did tonight, n I had to have about 4 goes to brake hard enough to activate it! like i'm thinkin if i'm braking THAT hard, i'm in a BAD situation, which I agree can happen, but that was why I was interested in people who had the experience, n who think it was of benefit.

I been biking a long time n only recently had a major braking incident when some stupid COW (not word of choice) who was in front of me, positioned herself in middle of road, with all the mannerisms of turning right, at which point I moved to her left to undertake her upon her manouvere, thankfully as usual I was trusting no car driver, as she promptly turned left straight in my path!!

I braked VERY hard n back locked slightly, but instant release and reapply (cadence braking) fixed the problem and the bike pulled up easy almost to a stop to allow stupid driver to turn.

For me ABS is new.... nice to have... maybe? hence why I was interested in experiences.

Again thanks for all input
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