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post #1 of 22 Old 10-14-2013, 10:02 PM Thread Starter
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My next motorcycle will be a V-strom. I currently ride a honda shadow 1100 and a KLR650. The ergonomics of the KLR are much better for me but since I never take it beyond two track roads and ride mostly on pavement I will be selling both to get a strom. I should have enough cash for a used one with maybe 20 - 40,000kms. I'm very reluctant to go above my cash.

I've read all the comparison threads and I've ridden both the Vee and Wee. I know what they both offer. For my ridding style I know I would be happy with either though for slightly different reasons. Over all I'd rather have the 650, but the only downside that really matters to me about the 1000 is fuel millage.

What I'm wondering about is how to decide based on the market in my area.
- 650's only come up for sale every now and then
- 1000's are much more commonly found for sale
(does this mean 650 owners like them so much they never sell?)
- 1000's sell knew for about $2000 more then 650's but seem to be the same or less for a used one of comparable age and mileage
- used 650's are advertized for only only $1000 less or even the same as knew 2013's if they are well farkled
- I have not ridden the new wee, though some have said it is enough better to be almost as good as the old Vee.

So what really is the best value among these options?
I know there is no right answer, but it helps to have a little discussion on the topic.

One more thing. A local dealer claims that the latest 1000's are so de-tuned for emissions that they only have 20 or so more hp then the 650. Is this true and if it is what year is old enough to not have this "problem"?
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post #2 of 22 Old 10-15-2013, 07:16 AM
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The new Wee is no old Vee. I've had both.

IIRC, the Wee is around 65hp, the Vee is 95hp (some pedant will be along shortly with the actual numbers). While that's only about 30hp difference, it's a huge percentage. They ride very different IME.

Having said that, they're both great bikes - I don't think there's a 'wrong' choice. I commute and tour/ take long trips on the bike. When I'm on the highway with the Wee, I miss the heck out of the Vee. I vaguely remember being frustrated by never getting out of second gear around town with the Vee.

It looks like the new Vee may complicate the decision even more.
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The best value is whatever bike suits your particular need and budget. Both bikes are solid and very usable.
Detuned ?? I don't think that's valid. Sounds like the dealer is smoking some loco weed.
 
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If you intend to do a lot of high speed freeway riding and/or 2-up riding, the Vee may be the bike for you. If gas mileage is a concern, the Vee should return anywhere from 40 to 45 miles per gallon. Or the metric equivalent there. The Vee seems to have been plagued with some engine issues that, for some reason, Suzuki has chosen not to have ironed out. Subsequently, many Vee owners have installed a Cobra or other tuner to smooth out the engine hiccups, surging, etc. Early Vees had issues with the clutch basket. Apparently that's not a difficult fix. And then engine seems to be a bit buzzy. Some report that the transmission gearing is off, and that below 65 mph, 6th gear is useless. All those things combined don't seem to have deterred Vee owners or potential owners from enjoying their bikes.

The Wee, OTOH, seems to be "just right," right out of the crate. Complaints about the Wee seem to be limited to the crummy seat and windshield, and a lot of accessories added are for convenience or to adjust it so it's perfect for the rider. The engine is smooth, doesn't lack power, and gets anywhere from about 50 to 60 mpg. Transmission gear is right on. Handling is great and the bike feels light, unless one is unusually short in the inseam, in which case the Wee may seem top heavy. It's just tall.

As for the Glee, the '12 and '14 models, I can't speak to whether it's that much better than the Wee that you should really consider it first. It's got newer styling and a little more power, and the suspension is better than on the /04--'11 models, which may or may not be of concern to you.

In the end, you should, if possible ride each one and decide for yourself which one appeals to you the most and which one will satisfy your needs best. So don't take our recommendations as they are merely opinions of satisfied owners. Whichever bike you choose, you will be happy with.

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What I'm wondering about is how to decide based on the market in my area.
- 650's only come up for sale every now and then
- 1000's are much more commonly found for sale
(does this mean 650 owners like them so much they never sell?)
- 1000's sell knew for about $2000 more then 650's but seem to be the same or less for a used one of comparable age and mileage
- used 650's are advertized for only only $1000 less or even the same as knew 2013's if they are well farkled
- I have not ridden the new wee, though some have said it is enough better to be almost as good as the old Vee.

So what really is the best value among these options?
I know there is no right answer, but it helps to have a little discussion on the topic.
650's do have a better resale value. Both in how quickly they sell and how much of the original purchase price they go for. The 650's are a VERY good bike and rarely need more than standard upgrades that most owners would do to any bike ( seat, windscreen, etc )

The 1000's have in the past had a reputation for needing extra work just to make them worth living with. Clutch chudder being one thing, that is now no reason to hold against buying one. Easily and permanently fixed. Fueling issues have been a problem with a good percentage from the original models. There are fixes for that ( Power Commander ) but that still left some unsatisfied. Now there is a new ECM from Suzuki that may be better than using the Power Commanders or Yosh tuning box. Fuel mileage can suffer when using the "tuners". Some Vees just don't seem to get the same fuel mileage as others.

A 2012-13 DL 650 is not in the same league as a DL 1000 when it comes to power.

A good used or new 2012 DL 1000 may be one of the best values in a bike in its class.

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Good input from everyone so far. Thanks.

As I said strompilot, I have ridden both. I generally ride 110km/h on secondary highways and I like to ride long distances but mostly long day loops or overnight. I also ride around town to work now and then (2kms) or to pick up stuff at the store. I also ride gravel now and then, just to see new stuff, and if the gravel turns into hard pack or two track I like it. I no longer take the KLR off road. I have to discipline myself because every time I go there I come home with a back that doesn't let me walk or ride for a week. I'll stick to the mountain bike for the bush.

In these conditions the 650 has everything I need. In fact the KLR is fine. I only keep the shadow so I can take my wife or children along now and then. So I'm going to get a strom for the ergonomics I like with occasional short ride passenger ability.

Either the wee or vee will do what I want. I understand the differences between them and have no fear of taking apart a clutch or whatever needs doing. I guess I'm drawn to the 650 because I'm a less-is-more if it gets the job done kind of guy. But in the used market where I live used 650's go so high that it starts to make sense to spend the extra for a 2012+. I think the 1000's are the better value used, but I had my heart set on a 650. I know I'd enjoy twisting the wrist on the 1000 and who knows, perhaps with a better tool my wife would choose to come on overnighters with me??

Just sorting through my thoughts out loud here. I'll be on one or the other next season.
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In my area the 650s have always outsold the 1000 by a pretty wide margin. The 650 seemed to get a reputation from the get go as being bullet proof and essentially without issues (pretty much deserved)
The 1000 was dogged from day one with complaints about fueling and clutch 'chudder'. Regardless of whether they are significant issues or not, it hurt the resale of the bike and for that matter the sales of new ones.
It sounds like you really want a 650 so I would just get it. The strong resale will work in your favor down the line if you want to sell it.

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It sounds like you really want a 650 so I would just get it. The strong resale will work in your favor down the line if you want to sell it.
Your right, my plan was to get a 650. It's just that when I started shopping I see so many more 1000's for sale and often at better used prices then 650's. Makes me think I might run across a great deal on a 1000 that the owner is sick of trying to sell and will take a low offer. But then would I wish I'd ponied up and paid more for what I wanted or will I love the gooo of the bigger bike and be happy?

No one will know till I pull the trigger on one or the other. Your opinions are sure helping me look at all the angles thought.
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I tend to be a 'get what I want to get' kind of guy. Now me personally in hindsight, kind of wish I had just bought a 1000 in some ways although for my uses the 650 may be the better bike.
You may very well run across a 1000 that you can buy cheaper but I think the question of whether you will like it as much or not depend on what you perceived the advantages of the 650 to be. For example, if you wanted the better fuel mileage of the 650 and the slightly lighter weight or didn't want to risk the issue of having to correct the fueling of the 1000 (if it has that problem for you).
On the other hand if you really dig the power of the 1000, (which is what I see as the major advantage and a big one in my book) then maybe that is the way to go.

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When I was looking I noticed the same thing as you about the prices. I usually buy all my vehicles used. However with the prices on slightly used dl650s being as they are it didn't really make a lot of sense to buy used. A one or two year old bike for about $1500 less than new. Percentage wise that is a pretty good savings, but in money terms it's not that much more. If I ride this bike for two years and sell it for a $2k loss, I got my moneys worth in enjoyment.
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