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post #1 of 22 Old 07-18-2007, 12:18 PM Thread Starter
 
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Whats with dealers lying so much?

I bought an 08 KLR a few months back but was starting to have problems with the vibration from it aggravating an injury to my hand. I test rode a Wee and didn't have a problem so I decided to get one (as I had originally intended to do), and sold the KLR this past weekend.

I pop into my local Zuki dealer with five grand in my pocket and the intention of putting in an order for an 08 DL with ABS as I knew they were sold out of the 07's. I ask for the sales manager and after waiting 30 minutes we sit down and I tell him that I would like to get ABS Wee, he proceeds to tell me that the last one he had sat on his floor since the beginning of the year.

I knew he was FOS because I had been there several times in the previous 8 weeks and knew that he had at least two come in and both were sold within weeks of hitting the floor. In fact one of their sales guys took me across the lot to their shop where one had just been "built" from the crate, it lasted only a week. The kid had told me that they actually had more come in and get sold fast but I never saw those with my own eyes.

So he proceeds to tell me that he didn't order an 08 ABS yet because no one wants the ABS version and that if I want one I will not see it until Nov/Dec because the next order will not go out until Sept.

Out of curiosity I ask him how much an 08 will cost me if he ordered it today and he quotes me nearly eight grand, $7,200 for the bike and $600 for "set up". I tell him that I will put up the five grand if he orders the bike and pay the rest upon delivery if he makes the "set up" fee go away. He states that he cant do it because he has to pay his staff, that he can maybe knock off maybe $50-100.

If anything I would have figured he would have lied in the other direction saying that they couldn't keep them in stock because they sell so fast, therefore justifying a higher mark-up.

Whats with the lack of honesty?
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post #2 of 22 Old 07-18-2007, 12:24 PM
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I'm not convinced they're lying, I really am starting believe that they're just that stupid.

Had a local Kawasaki "dealer" arguing with a buddy of mine last night that Kawasaki hasn't yet released the Kawasaki Concours 1400 and that no dealers have them yet. Where do they get these guys??

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Sounds like you need to find another dealer, one that will be willing to work with you.

A lot of Money up front for them doing little to no work, with an offer to pay full MSRP, can't believe they wouldn't give you a "Customer of the Day" award.
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Do you know how to tell when a motorcycle salesman is lying?



His lips are moving!


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post #5 of 22 Old 07-18-2007, 02:34 PM
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So he proceeds to tell me that he didn't order an 08 ABS yet because no one wants the ABS version and that if I want one I will not see it until Nov/Dec because the next order will not go out until Sept.
I believe that to be true, motorcycle dealers are not like car dealers, they cannot just order a bike anytime they want, at the dealers meeting in September, they must order what they anticipate to sell for the year and delivery dates

then I got my 07 1k back in december, I was lucky, my dealer didn't have any scheduled to arrive till March, but the Suzuki warehouse happen to have one in stock that wasn't delivered cause the dealer it was supose to be delivered to was on credit hold



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Put the 5 grand back in your pocket and walk away!! No way I would hand a dealer that kind of cash up front.
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post #7 of 22 Old 07-18-2007, 05:40 PM
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Thumbs down dealers!

I think that most dealers no longer ride. It has become just a product-they really don't care. Sales are down and dismal all they want to sell is the M109 cruiser, Busa or dirtbikes at my dealership. Like I am going to buy a Busa hahahahahahaha!!!! It is never going to happen.

They probably don't read the magazines, go to bike shows or touch a wrench to anything. They never modify or else the go so overboard that they want an extra 1k for a "proper farkle setup".

To me the only dealerships that even appear to care anymore are Duc/Aprilia guys. at least the still seam to love their product. Gotta give Buell credit too, but the Harley stealerships do them a big injustice. However I see the new Rotax powered sportbike is out! Yum.

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After getting home with my used 2005 DL650 and realizing that my local Suzuki dealer misquoted blue book and the internet asking price so that all the money I "talked them down" brought me to the price I should have paid in the first place, I placed a larger "Sucker" sign on my head and rode around my neighborhood.

I now will only deal with the small local motorcycle shop that has great people who really know bikes and will spend the time chatting whether you buy something or not. - Insert shameless plug for RPM Cycles in Ventura, CA here -

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IMO most but not all are scum of the earth. Good thing is there are many many many of them around. Take your cash to the next shop.

I don't even mess around haggling or anything anymore. I go to the first dealer with an internet pre-researched price and tell them the price I'm looking for and money I'm putting down. Then I tell the salesman I'm going to three dealers and telling them all the same thing. The one with the best price AND terms sells me the vehicle. If he gets into what that dealer can do for me blah blah blah, I cut him off and say politely, "I just want the best price and terms, everything else is inconsequential right now".

Then you're going to fill out a credit app and get the heck out of there. It's a bit more time consuming but they understand when you walk in prepared you're not messing around.

My $.02 anyway.

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The problem with finding another dealer is that there are none, they are all owned by the same folks with the exception of one, and they are crooks. I guess Im just going to have to start spiraling out until I find a good one, I can fly out to Dallas, Phx, Den, Okc, etc. for well under $200, ride back, and save bunch.

We only have one really good dealer in town, PJs Triumph/Ducati, and I obviously cant get a DL there. But they do great service on all bikes, so the Zuki dealer will not only loose the sale, but any service I cant do myself.
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