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post #1 of 25 Old 07-09-2007, 03:49 PM Thread Starter
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Question Are we riding the Real Deal or Pretenders?

My buddy and I wanted to upgrade from our old dual sports. We go up in the hills, but want to do some highway trips to neighboring states. The V-strom seemed the best deal for the money. We read lots of stuff about them going on offroad rides, playing with the KLR650 guys, etc. So we bought Wee-stroms.

Then I picked up the August issue of RIDER. The comparison of V-strom 1000, Triumph Tiger 1050, Ducati Multistrada 1100S and Buell Ulysses XB12X is titled "The New Pretenders." Subtitle was "Four faux dual-sports on the pavement, tarmac and cement." Granted, whoever wrote that doesn't know the difference between cement and concrete, but he clearly considers the bikes "fakes," thus the use of "faux."

The quote at the top of the page is this: "Since these bikes were rarely taken off pavement, their manufacturers have largely retreated from the idea of giving them any true dirt-road capabilities."

What's the story? I thought my bike really was intended to be a dual use bike, just a lot better on the highway than my old XT dual sport. Granted, I saw the Ducati and the Buell the other day, I was unimpressed by the 17" front wheels. But I thought Suzuki expected stromtroopers to play in the dirt a bit.

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The Strom, whatever anyone says, is perfectly capable in light dirt duty, especially once you get some better tires on it. Is it a dirtbike? Shit, no. Is it entirely capable and well mannered on logging roads, deserts, and dirt roads of dubious quality? Totally.

I theorize that most of the people who poo-poo the Strom's dirt capability are dirt-bike people who'll poo-poo anything because it's not 200lbs and mounted with knobbies.

It should be noted that the new tiger and multistrada truly *are* street bikes that evolved out of adventure tourers. The Strom is marginally dirtier than the Uly, mostly due to the HeeeyoooJah back tire and widdle sportbike front on the Uly, but I've seen a desert "Road" (emphasis on quotes. Road my ass...) ride consisting of every major Ginourmous dually (Uly, R1200GS, 2 DL1K's, KTM, "old" Tiger) in action, and all the bikes did just fine.

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I intend to use mine offroad, much as I did my XT600 (though I still have the old Yamaha, so maybe we'll save the bad trails for that).

I haven't yet had time to play offroad, like my buddy. But judging by his experience, I got the package best suited to my needs, the most versatile bike that I could find in my price range. I don't think I'd get much more useful function, durability or reliability if I spent twice the money on a BMW.

I do note, however, that a lot of those V-stroms pictured in the dirt seem to be wearing tires a bit more gnarly than the Trailwings that came with mine.

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The Strom, whatever anyone says, is perfectly capable in light dirt duty, especially once you get some better tires on it. Is it a dirtbike? Shit, no. Is it entirely capable and well mannered on logging roads, deserts, and dirt roads of dubious quality? Totally.

I theorize that most of the people who poo-poo the Strom's dirt capability are dirt-bike people who'll poo-poo anything because it's not 200lbs and mounted with knobbies.

It should be noted that the new tiger and multistrada truly *are* street bikes that evolved out of adventure tourers. The Strom is marginally dirtier than the Uly, mostly due to the HeeeyoooJah back tire and widdle sportbike front on the Uly, but I've seen a desert "Road" (emphasis on quotes. Road my ass...) ride consisting of every major Ginourmous dually (Uly, R1200GS, 2 DL1K's, KTM, "old" Tiger) in action, and all the bikes did just fine.

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We periodically have huge raging arguments about this over on the other V-Strom board. All in good fun, of course.

http://11109.rapidforum.com/topic=102372126500

My opinion is that the Strom is a street bike. Like most lighter weight street bikes it'll handle the average dirt road just fine. That doesn't make it a "dirt bike" though, or even much of a dual sport. All the relevent numbers (weight, suspension travel, ground clearance) are much more of the street bike world than the dirt bike one.

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The quote at the top of the page is this: "Since these bikes were rarely taken off pavement, their manufacturers have largely retreated from the idea of giving them any true dirt-road capabilities."
So exactly what proportion of Range Rovers or Nissan Patrols and Toyota Landcruisers or an other SUV you care to name go off road (speed humps out side schools or in shopping centre car parks don't count)?
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We periodically have huge raging arguments about this over on the other V-Strom board. All in good fun, of course.

http://11109.rapidforum.com/topic=102372126500

My opinion is that the Strom is a street bike. Like most lighter weight street bikes it'll handle the average dirt road just fine. That doesn't make it a "dirt bike" though, or even much of a dual sport. All the relevent numbers (weight, suspension travel, ground clearance) are much more of the street bike world than the dirt bike one.
How in the land of monkey loving donkey kissers can you post that URL and say what you said. Is the sarcasm not making it through my monitor?

I have yet to find a place a "dirt bike" can go that I cannot go. The suspension travel and ground clearance are far closer to "dirt bike" then to "street bike". The ability to soften or harden the rear is also a "dirt bike" trait that you don't find on a "street bike".

Its not a two stroke, I'm not pulling wheelies at 50 on a gravel road on my way to the rock quarry. Now while I admit that most of my off road riding (in the past) was done on a Honda XL250 (4 stroke "enduro") (that I challenge anyone to call a "street bike" since its the same damn suspension and everything but the engine of its CR counterpart). That said I can take my Strom ANYWHERE that 250 could go, and the extra torque and weight usually puts me in a BETTER position then the lighter bike would in a tight spot. Add to that the bigger gas tank that means I can stay offroad a LOT longer and you can find my out there as many weekends as I can spare having more fun then should be legal.

I'm with the guy in your URL, all you pussies who call the Strom a street bike need a wake up call. Grab your 4x4 and your DRZ, meet me out on the trail. Then tell me that the Strom isn't a capable offroad machine.

Now that I've given the troll the ammo he wants have at me. You've got nothing on me until you meet me out there. :twisted:

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IMHO the V strom is not a dirt bike. If you want a dirt bike, go buy one. Those are the ones with the flat seats, knobby tires and high fenders.

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As you can tell by the post , the strom does it all. If you want it to be a streetbike, then mount the right tires on it and its a wonderful roadbike. But if you want offroad riding then once again all you have to do is rig it out that way. It'll do fine. Its the 12 gauge in your gunroom. Load it with birdshot and go bird hunting. Come deer season, all you need is slugs...J.R.
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