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post #1 of 59 Old 08-22-2013, 01:14 AM Thread Starter
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Gasoline additives?

Here in Louisiana, gasolines are generally inoculated with ethanol. However, non-E gas is available at a higher price. Ethanol content is now at 10% but the EPA wants to raise it to 15% which would be 'generally' catastrophic to our engines...even to the point that some manufacturers such as M-B, Audi, Porsche, BMW have threatened to void warranties if E-15 gas is used. E-10 has been bad enough, but to raise it by 50% is extremely shortsighted in my opinion. How can the environment be best served if this fuel results in more damage resulting in more cars going into landfills/junkyards? Do you use ethanol treatment additives in your fuel such as Lucas, Sta-Bil, Star-Tron?

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I don't use additives, I just don't use fuel with ethanol in it. If I had no choice then I expect I'd be looking for something to reduce the damage to my bike's ethanol soluble parts just like you, but for now it's not hard to avoid here.

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I don't use additives, I just don't use fuel with ethanol in it. If I had no choice then I expect I'd be looking for something to reduce the damage to my bike's ethanol soluble parts just like you, but for now it's not hard to avoid here.
Thanks for the insight. Not knowing about the gasoline blends of your country, do you think it's wise to use an upper cylinder lubricant such as Lucas? Our gas is described as being 'dry'.

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My personal opinion, if you can't avoid ethanol, would be to run something like that. A fuel stabilizer and upper cylinder lube would, I think, extend the life of your bike and possibly help performance slightly.

Here we have a national limit of 10% Ethanol in fuel but it's hard to get regular (91RON/87AKI) without it. I just run "premium" (96RON) to avoid the ethanol and keep the engine a little cleaner. The higher octane rating doesn't make any difference.

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oil in gas helped my I4's noticeably but did not see it on my VEE

Your bike will run better with a dose of Seafoam
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Do you use ethanol treatment additives in your fuel such as Lucas, Sta-Bil, Star-Tron?
ive used sta-bil marine formula ethanol treatment since Nov. 2011 for a 3% gain in mpg. works ok for me.
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Ran some Seafoam through the last fill-up. Seems to have perked the bike up a bit. May have just had moisture in the tank. :beatnik:

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Millions of engines run millions and millions of miles each year with 10% ethanol in the gasoline. You do not see piles of broken down vehicles on the sides of highways. There is nothing wrong with E-10 ethanol gasoline blend. Yes, it can be debated about the loss of fuel mileage, idiocy of diverting food to fuel, cost factors, etc. But it works every day for millions of us. Ethanol is the least harmful component to oxygenate and raise octane in gasoline.

Storing E-10 when you're in a humid climate is a different matter. In that case a suitable additive is needed for this specific problem. If you have a real problem, get the specific additive to address that problem. E-10 is not a real problem.

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What PTRider said. A bad tank of fuel may happen and something may have to be done to get rid of excess water but that's rare. I'll add marine Sta-Bil to handle months long non use of E10 fuel when there is snow coming and present but that's been it. I haven't noticed any fuel economy improvement from using it but I don't use it for enough miles to make a valid comparison. I can understand as much as a 3% change between E10 and E0 but I don't see how an ethanol additive can change the energy content of ethanol from 66% of gasoline/petrol to 100%. It only stabilizes the ethanol.

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I put Star-tron in all the gas I get for my weekend toys, but don't bother with it in anything I run on a regular basis. Bottom line is that if you let E-10 sit in a tank for extended periods, untreated, you will have problems. Maybe not today, but eventually.
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