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post #1 of 21 Old 08-20-2013, 01:21 PM Thread Starter
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Question MCCruise? Or wait 'n trade?

Couldn't decide whether this should go here, or under Other Motorcycles. GW, please move it if appropriate.

I've decided there are probably more IBA rides in my future. That requires one of two things.

Option 1. -- $1,320
>> Order and have MCCruise installed (assuming I can find someone qualified to do so).


Option 2. -- $9,840
>> Wait until equity in the DL >= $0, then trade for an FJR.

What's the incremental cost associated with option 2?
(Total of payments for FJR - 36 months of payments for DL) +
Down payment on FJR =
(12000 - 6160) + 4000 = $9,840

Option 1 PROS:
1. Much less expensive than option 2.
2. The problem gets fixed now, not 18 months down the road.
3. I keep the svelte DL. No FJR weight penalty.

Option 2 PROS:
1. With ABS, shaft drive, better weather protection, more refinement, etc., the FJR is a more capable touring platform.
2. Minimized though the DL's fueling issues now are, the FJR should have none.

Option 1 is much less expensive, solves the problem now, and does not incur the FJR's additional weight. OTOH, the DL will still have no ABS, minimal weather protection, some fueling issues, and a chain.

Devil's advocate says: "You've never had ABS -- why do you need it now? And weather protection? You're going to get wet when it rains on either bike. The DL's fueling issues are now tolerable. Shaft drive? Modern chains require very little attention -- and they allow you to modify the bike's overall gearing relatively easily, something that's not really practical on shaft-driven bikes. Save your money. Go with option 1."

Option 2 puts us on a more capable, more refined mount. OTOH, it's a relatively pricey solution, the problem does not get fixed for 18 more months, and the FJR is considerably heavier than the DL.

Devil's advocate says, "Ahhh ...you can afford it. You've dealt with vibration your entire riding career; you can deal with it for 18 more months -- one riding season, really. The FJR should have NO fueling issues. And the extra weight is really only apparent when pushing the bike. Get what you really want. Go with option 2."

So... who wins this debate? Are there things I haven't thought of?

Please don't suggest any alternative that does not involve a true, automotive-style cruise control. I'm tired of numb/tingling hands. I have a Univeral Vista Cruise. It provides some relief, but it's a PITA unless you're always on a level road. Same with any other throttle lock. And the other CC alternatives (Audiovox, Rostra) appear to be inferior to (or at least, much more difficult to install than) the MCCruise product.

Thanks!

---2016 FJR1300 ES.
---Previous bikes: 1970 Honda CB100; 1972 CB175; 1973 CB350; 1975 CB550; 1977 CB750; 1978 Yamaha 750 Triple; 1980 Goldwing; in and out of the sport on an FT500 Ascot and an assortment of 1980s four-cylinder Hondas in the late 80s and early 90s; 1995 Honda 750 Nighthawk; 1999 Suzuki SV650; 2002 Honda 750 Nighthawk; 2012 DL1000 V-Strom; 2010 FJR; 2014 Yamaha Super Ténéré ES.
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The CCS100 and Rostra work fine except the CCS100 has trouble holding a speed much over 75mph. If you are going to have somebody else install it, what's the problem?

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The CCS100 and Rostra work fine except the CCS100 has trouble holding a speed much over 75mph. If you are going to have somebody else install it, what's the problem?
The expense associated with the MCCruise isn't really a big deal. And I'd rather have the installer intalling a product that's designed and built (or at least, customized) for the Vee, rather than a "generic" solution.

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---Previous bikes: 1970 Honda CB100; 1972 CB175; 1973 CB350; 1975 CB550; 1977 CB750; 1978 Yamaha 750 Triple; 1980 Goldwing; in and out of the sport on an FT500 Ascot and an assortment of 1980s four-cylinder Hondas in the late 80s and early 90s; 1995 Honda 750 Nighthawk; 1999 Suzuki SV650; 2002 Honda 750 Nighthawk; 2012 DL1000 V-Strom; 2010 FJR; 2014 Yamaha Super Ténéré ES.
---IBA #56124. Two SS1Ks, one BB1500, one BBG; placed 9th in MERA's 2014 Five & Dime 5-day rally (solo class).
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If your really going to get into long distance touring, go w/ the FJR and buy a used cheap Wee down the road. While I love my new Glee, a true sport tourer she isn't. On the long rides and at highway speed, the extra weight is nice to have. Now if you still want access to gravel roads, upgrade the Wee.
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Looks like you have had enough bikes to know there is more than one way to skin a cat. I too had vibration hand issues from the Vee but instead chose to address the underlying issues (clutch basket, A/F adjustments, etc) and now experience few problems in that area. Due to the early production Barkbusters, I also have no bar end weights, but have been using grip puppies. Cost was a fair amount of time, reasearch and about $600.
But if you're Jonesin for the FJR, get it and don't look back if it suits your needs better.

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My bad - I noticed you are on a Vee. That makes it a bit tougher choice.
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If you can honestly afford an FJR, then $ should not be a consideration. That leaves weight, shaft drive vs. chain, fuel issues, and type of riding.

Weight--I think you get used to what you have. A lot of the police competitions prove that good riders with heavier bikes and higher centers of gravity than ours can still outride most folks on the street. If you get an FJR, then you will get used to the FJR weight at all speeds.

Shaft drive vs. chain--You have had a few bikes in the past. Have you ever changed out sprockets on any bike you've ever had? Even if you had, why would you do so on the V? Chain does have an advantage over shaft drive in this regard, but if you can't or won't take advantage of it, then it should not be a consideration. In that case, shaft drive wins.

Fuel issues--The FJR wins this one unless the V is now issue free, which it does not sound like it is.

Type of riding--If you get the FJR, offroad riding will be a thing of the past. It's size, weight, and the shaft drive itself will make that all but certain. Think realistically about how much long distance riding you will do. Many folks dream of it, plan for it, and never quite actually do it. If that isn't you, then the FJR again probably wins unless you just cannot live without offroad riding. That doesn't sound like the case though.

All things considered, I think you are closer to the FJR than the V.
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Looks like you have had enough bikes to know there is more than one way to skin a cat. I too had vibration hand issues from the Vee but instead chose to address the underlying issues (clutch basket, A/F adjustments, etc) and now experience few problems in that area. Due to the early production Barkbusters, I also have no bar end weights, but have been using grip puppies. Cost was a fair amount of time, reasearch and about $600.
But if you're Jonesin for the FJR, get it and don't look back if it suits your needs better.
Truth be told, I can't recall owning a bike that didn't put my right hand to sleep (actually, the index and middle fingers, and thumb of my right hand) including an assortment of inline fours. I try not to grip tighter than necessary, I try to maintain a "neutral" wrist position ...nothing really works. It's not really the Vee, which definitely has some pretty smooth engine speed ranges (especially, 4000 to 4600 RPM or so on mine). "It's not you, it's me..."

I really do like the Vee, particularly now that I've got the PC-V and the fuel map tweaked. Yeah, it's a little tall for me, and the fueling still isn't perfect, but I really do enjoy it. It handles well, makes plenty of power for brisk two-up riding, and it's astonishingly comfortable. And at 525 lbs. wet, it's much lighter than anything else that would fit my needs.

Maybe I need to rent an FJR for a weekend...

But what if I like it? I mean, really like it...

---2016 FJR1300 ES.
---Previous bikes: 1970 Honda CB100; 1972 CB175; 1973 CB350; 1975 CB550; 1977 CB750; 1978 Yamaha 750 Triple; 1980 Goldwing; in and out of the sport on an FT500 Ascot and an assortment of 1980s four-cylinder Hondas in the late 80s and early 90s; 1995 Honda 750 Nighthawk; 1999 Suzuki SV650; 2002 Honda 750 Nighthawk; 2012 DL1000 V-Strom; 2010 FJR; 2014 Yamaha Super Ténéré ES.
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If you can honestly afford an FJR, then $ should not be a consideration. That leaves weight, shaft drive vs. chain, fuel issues, and type of riding.

Weight--I think you get used to what you have. A lot of the police competitions prove that good riders with heavier bikes and higher centers of gravity than ours can still outride most folks on the street. If you get an FJR, then you will get used to the FJR weight at all speeds.

Shaft drive vs. chain--You have had a few bikes in the past. Have you ever changed out sprockets on any bike you've ever had? Even if you had, why would you do so on the V? Chain does have an advantage over shaft drive in this regard, but if you can't or won't take advantage of it, then it should not be a consideration. In that case, shaft drive wins.

Fuel issues--The FJR wins this one unless the V is now issue free, which it does not sound like it is.

Type of riding--If you get the FJR, offroad riding will be a thing of the past. It's size, weight, and the shaft drive itself will make that all but certain. Think realistically about how much long distance riding you will do. Many folks dream of it, plan for it, and never quite actually do it. If that isn't you, then the FJR again probably wins unless you just cannot live without offroad riding. That doesn't sound like the case though.

All things considered, I think you are closer to the FJR than the V.
This sounds like wisdom to me. I have changed gearing on a chain-driven bike ...but only once, and that was probably 1976. The Vee's fueling is now acceptable, but not perfect; I have to use some caution below 4000 RPMs, and cannot blithely whack the throttle open below 3500 RPM without courting the ol' buck-and-snort. Pulling any load under 3000 RPM requires a delicate throttle hand.

Off road riding has thus far comprised about two, maybe three of the 3544 miles on the clock. I've got one SaddleSore 1000 under my belt, but even if I don't wind up doing much LD riding, which machine is better-suited to the 160-mile days in Colorado's mountains that are the bread and butter of my riding? Probably either.

Gee, I wish I could have both! (That I cannot afford...)

---2016 FJR1300 ES.
---Previous bikes: 1970 Honda CB100; 1972 CB175; 1973 CB350; 1975 CB550; 1977 CB750; 1978 Yamaha 750 Triple; 1980 Goldwing; in and out of the sport on an FT500 Ascot and an assortment of 1980s four-cylinder Hondas in the late 80s and early 90s; 1995 Honda 750 Nighthawk; 1999 Suzuki SV650; 2002 Honda 750 Nighthawk; 2012 DL1000 V-Strom; 2010 FJR; 2014 Yamaha Super Ténéré ES.
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But what if I like it? I mean, really like it...
I think you will really like it. I own an ST1300 and a Wee and they are both my favorite bike. Also on the Sport touring bike you can find pre=farkeled slightly used bikes pretty easily.
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