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post #1 of 19 Old 08-19-2013, 04:39 PM Thread Starter
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This might be a topic that has been talked about a lot, but I didn't see a 'sticky' for it, so here goes:

First off, I'm one of those clutchless shifters. So I start out leaving a parking lot the other night. I get moving in 1st, then attempt to gear up to 2nd. The gear doesn't catch so I find myself in neutral. No problem, it happens. I pop it up into 2nd, the gear indicator is showing 2nd gear, and now I'm accelerating. With foot firmly under the shifter, I then make my move to 3rd, popping the shifter upward. At that point, the transmission actually drops into neutral.

Has anyone experienced anything like this? Nothing like turning the throttle, thinking you're going to accelerate, and then having the engine simply rev. I found it very strange and am going to chalk it up to plain old weirdness.

Just curious.
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post #2 of 19 Old 08-19-2013, 06:23 PM
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I highly recommend changing your shifting procedure.

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This might be a topic that has been talked about a lot, but I didn't see a 'sticky' for it, so here goes:

First off, I'm one of those clutchless shifters.
Did someone tell you that not using your clutch wouldn't cause damage? You are operating under a misconception that simply "because" a bike tranny will shift without the clutch it will not be damaging to the internals.
Yep, it will..........
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Actually when done correctly, clutchless upshifting does no damage on most modern bike transmission internals. When done incorrectly, at the wrong RPM's, continual missed shifts of false neutrals, you'll start banging up the dogs and accelerating problem shifts. Clutchless downshifting is another issue. However there is really no reason to go clutchless on the street and should be saved for track use

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Without realizing the Heated grips were turning on the handle bar, the left side kept me from using the clutch properly. So I had some crunchy down shifts. Now 3rd,2nd and 1st down shifts aren't clean no mo.
I really do NOT want to buy your bike when you go to sell it. Your hand could stand the work out when shifting and the bike will run better for it.
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Think of it as a the Chevy Cavalier of the motorcycle industry. Drive it like it belongs to your favorite Auntie.

It's got tiny little bits and pieces whirring away in the transmission. It's not like some bloody great Road Ranger on a rig truck.
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Duly noted. But I still don't understand why the transmission would have jumped into neutral when I clearly upshifted from 2nd to 3rd.
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Did you get a neutral light? If not, it could have been a false neutral. If so, wear on the shift dogs from clutchless shifting could have less than solidly engaged 2nd. Hitting the lever again could have caused bounce back.

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...First off, I'm one of those clutchless shifters. So I start out leaving a parking lot the other night. I get moving in 1st, then attempt to gear up to 2nd. The gear doesn't catch so I find myself in neutral. No problem, it happens. I pop it up into 2nd, the gear indicator is showing 2nd gear, and now I'm accelerating. With foot firmly under the shifter, I then make my move to 3rd, popping the shifter upward. At that point, the transmission actually drops into neutral.

Has anyone experienced anything like this? Nothing like turning the throttle, thinking you're going to accelerate, and then having the engine simply rev. I found it very strange and am going to chalk it up to plain old weirdness.

Just curious.
What year is your bike and how much mileage is on it? In some cases new bikes don't shift very well until they have some mileage on them.

Also, at the risk of turning this into an oil thread, some riders report easier shifting depending on the type of oil they use. (If you want to talk about that lets go to the big oil thread.)

One other thing you might look at it making sure the shift linkage is properly adjusted and lubricated as well.


I rarely shift without clutch 1st to 2nd but have not had issues shifting up or down without clutch in any gear from 2nd up unless I have messed up what I was doing.

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Thanks greywolf, bounce back was the term I was looking for. I did get a neutral light. Perhaps it was the Strom's way of telling me to use the clutch

Tom, I also rarely shift from 1st to 2nd without the clutch. That's why I considered the shift from 2nd to 3rd so strange. The vast majority of my upward shifts are incredibly smooth, often smoother than when using the clutch. My bike is a 2013 with approx. 6500 kms on it.
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