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post #11 of 28 Old 07-21-2009, 09:20 PM
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I would buy the adventure if they did such
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Yeah, but the 800GS is no Strom. You are correct that it is more like a KTM and I think BMW designed the bike to compete directly with KTM. The GS isn't highway friendly, not is it 2-Up friendly like the Strom.

I would like to see Suzuki ditch both the DL650 and the DL1000 for a single bike that has two versions. While they are at it....not a 800cc....but an 850cc V-Twin that makes nearly 90hp. And.....the bike needs to weigh less than 425lbs, dry.

DL850S (S for Sport Edition)
DL850A (A for Adventure Edition)

The Sport Edition would be a similiar setup to what the Strom is today. It would appeal to 75% of the Strom purchasers which use the bike for 90% pavement and 10% dirt.

The Adventure Edition would appeal to about 25% of the market who use their bike for true adventure riding with up to 50% dirt....touting upgraded suspension (adding 2" clearance over the "S"), Spoked Rims, TKC's, etc.

And for God's Sake!!!!!!......a different faring that is a little more eye appealing and mostly...."ANTI HELMENT BUFFTING"!!!!!!!

Then pricing.... the "S" would retail for $8,900 and the "A" would retail for $9,900. (ABS is standard on both with an OFF switch for the "A" edition.)

I would purchase a DL850A, right now without hesitation!!!!!


PS....anyone wanting something bigger than a liter and more than 100hp......you just need to purchase an FJR or a 1200RT and call it a day.

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post #12 of 28 Old 07-22-2009, 12:06 AM
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70-90 hp

for me the owner of a 650 more power would be nice , but not at the cost of tire and chain life , also mileage . 800cc would be just right with a mellow part saveing powerband . power is great but the cost of parts is to much unless you have a high income or dont ride to many miles a year . my wee is the most frugal bike ive owned and thats what i need in order to enjoy miles on the road

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post #13 of 28 Old 07-22-2009, 12:22 AM
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Choice is good !!

Having the 650 and the 800 cc+(preferably 850cc+), would give everyone the choices they need to get the motorcycle they want with the minimum compromises. Then, throwing in the choice of "Sport" and "Adventure" models will bring smiles all around the planet.



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Yeah, but the 800GS is no Strom. You are correct that it is more like a KTM and I think BMW designed the bike to compete directly with KTM. The GS isn't highway friendly, not is it 2-Up friendly like the Strom.

I would like to see Suzuki ditch both the DL650 and the DL1000 for a single bike that has two versions. While they are at it....not a 800cc....but an 850cc V-Twin that makes nearly 90hp. And.....the bike needs to weigh less than 425lbs, dry.

DL850S (S for Sport Edition)
DL850A (A for Adventure Edition)

The Sport Edition would be a similiar setup to what the Strom is today. It would appeal to 75% of the Strom purchasers which use the bike for 90% pavement and 10% dirt.

The Adventure Edition would appeal to about 25% of the market who use their bike for true adventure riding with up to 50% dirt....touting upgraded suspension (adding 2" clearance over the "S"), Spoked Rims, TKC's, etc.

And for God's Sake!!!!!!......a different faring that is a little more eye appealing and mostly...."ANTI HELMENT BUFFTING"!!!!!!!

Then pricing.... the "S" would retail for $8,900 and the "A" would retail for $9,900. (ABS is standard on both with an OFF switch for the "A" edition.)

I would purchase a DL850A, right now without hesitation!!!!!


PS....anyone wanting something bigger than a liter and more than 100hp......you just need to purchase an FJR or a 1200RT and call it a day.
Sounds good to me.

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Yeah, but the 800GS is no Strom. You are correct that it is more like a KTM and I think BMW designed the bike to compete directly with KTM. The GS isn't highway friendly, not is it 2-Up friendly like the Strom.

I would like to see Suzuki ditch both the DL650 and the DL1000 for a single bike that has two versions. While they are at it....not a 800cc....but an 850cc V-Twin that makes nearly 90hp. And.....the bike needs to weigh less than 425lbs, dry.

DL850S (S for Sport Edition)
DL850A (A for Adventure Edition)

The Sport Edition would be a similiar setup to what the Strom is today. It would appeal to 75% of the Strom purchasers which use the bike for 90% pavement and 10% dirt.

The Adventure Edition would appeal to about 25% of the market who use their bike for true adventure riding with up to 50% dirt....touting upgraded suspension (adding 2" clearance over the "S"), Spoked Rims, TKC's, etc.

And for God's Sake!!!!!!......a different faring that is a little more eye appealing and mostly...."ANTI HELMENT BUFFTING"!!!!!!!

Then pricing.... the "S" would retail for $8,900 and the "A" would retail for $9,900. (ABS is standard on both with an OFF switch for the "A" edition.)

I would purchase a DL850A, right now without hesitation!!!!!


PS....anyone wanting something bigger than a liter and more than 100hp......you just need to purchase an FJR or a 1200RT and call it a day.

Amen.

Suzuki has a great platform and lots of loyalty among VStrom owners. 850cc - 90 hp - better windscreen - keep it light - two models (A&S).

I'm not sure I could keep my wallet in my pocket if Suzuki would actually bring an 850 to market

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Both "S" and "A" models should have belt drive and "under engine" (Buell/Versys type) exhaust or at least a single underseat exhaust, to cut weight and get the pipes out of the way of side mount luggage and legs.


Nope, the "A" model must have chain drive, as a belt is no bueno for dirt. Also the "A" model must have a high exhaust the highest clearance possible and for crossing streams, etc.

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post #17 of 28 Old 07-24-2009, 05:49 PM
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No belt for you ?

I assumed that belt drive would be acceptable for both the Sport and the Adventure model, too, because the Buell Ulysses and BMW 800 both use belt final drive. I don't like oiling and adjusting and oiling a drive chain (just replaced chain and sprockets - so the cost and inconvenience are fresh on my mind). Shaft drive has cost and handling issues. I would like a belt drive - never had one - but I'd like to !!

So OK :

Sport = Under Engine Exhaust and Belt Drive

Adventure = Center Mount / High Mount Exhaust and Chain Final Drive.

NO Problem !!



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Belt or shaft drive.

IMO, a small design change in the front upper fairing (the black one).
Have the headlights seperated at the bottom another inch or so apart, and have the tips (upper left and right parts of the lenses) sorta pulled down and away if looking from the front. This would make the top fairing another 6 inches wider, and wider than the bottom fairing.

This would bring a more balanced look to the front of the bike, and much better wind protection from a wider fairing, wider shield etc..


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A "Wee" with an 800cc motor that weighed the same as the current 650 would be wonderful. Unfortunately, it's not very likely. The 650 crank is already a bit undersized (as anybody who races SVs knows. ) so you can't just plop some 90mm jugs on the existing bottom end. Stroking the current setup is bad too, the conrod length-to-stroke ratio goes all to hell. The whole motor would need to be redesigned to handle the extra power and would end up at least 20 lbs heavier. Some other stuff would have to get bigger/heavier too, chain/sprockets, exhaust tubing, muffler, catalytic converter, brakes...you get the idea. There's a reason the 1000 is 55lbs heavier than the 650.

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A "Wee" with an 800cc motor that weighed the same as the current 650 would be wonderful. Unfortunately, it's not very likely. The 650 crank is already a bit undersized (as anybody who races SVs knows. ) so you can't just plop some 90mm jugs on the existing bottom end. Stroking the current setup is bad too, the conrod length-to-stroke ratio goes all to hell. The whole motor would need to be redesigned to handle the extra power and would end up at least 20 lbs heavier. Some other stuff would have to get bigger/heavier too, chain/sprockets, exhaust tubing, muffler, catalytic converter, brakes...you get the idea. There's a reason the 1000 is 55lbs heavier than the 650.
I think a competive weight could be achieved with an 800cc Vee. It only makes sense that the current 650 motor would end up a little porkier to handle 800cc power, but Suzuki could easily shave weight elsewhere.

The stock exhaust system is so heavy that a lighter version could offset much of the weight gain in the engine. Shave a few ounces to a couple of pounds here and there and you would have a bike that weighs the same as the current 650. The problem is, the cost would quickly skyrocket to the range of the DL1K.

I don't think a new 800cc Vee is very unlikely at this point. It seems more likely, in my opinion, that if Suzuki were to revamp the V-strom line-up, they would come up with an all-new, clean-sheet design or at least a major overhaul. This would provide the opportunity for Suzuki to replace the 1000 with an 800 that comes with longer travel premium suspension, optional ABS brakes w/ switch ala BMW (Bueler, Bueler, Bueler), tidier factory luggage options. They could either keep a revamped DL or a less expensive, new version of the 650 as a cheaper alternative to the up-level 800. If Suzuki went with more of a clean-sheet design, they would be able to make a lighter weight 800cc motor that would keep the weight down.

I think given the current ecomonic situation, this is highly unlikely and probably not likely even if everybody was still blowing money left and right. It seems the Big 4 are all slow to catch on to trends in the American market. I would be less surprised to see new Stroms introduced in Europe. I think given the increasing growth in the dual-sport market, it would make sense to offer a more dirt-able Strom from the factory and then a street/touring oriented version much like BMW does with their current F800 line and how they did several years ago with the F650.

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