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richw 08-13-2013 09:08 PM

2014 1 k VSTROM
 
I agree most motorcycle buyers are morons but not all. In fact the adventure segment may be one of the few demographics that will worry about how a motorcycle performs etc.

Some of us will do research. If I was to be asked today about whether a future buyers should buy or wait for the new Vstrom I would have to tell them that the existing one has many quirks, poor fueling, clutch chudder, rear sprocket/cush hub, low electrical output, poor mileage and range.

Edit forgot ridiculous windshield wind buffeting

Just remembered sprung too soft for USA Euro Market

Ridiculous expense and difficulty for fuel filter / pump things

TPS as the cheapest form of printed potentiometer guaranteed to wear out


There has been zero evidence from the stylist reports that ANY of these real short comings have been addressed.

If you guys have handled these problems then this is what we want to hear about not that a stylist was inspired be a wood pecker in heat

thank you rich w

mrbreeze 08-16-2013 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by richw (Post 1491353)
I agree most motorcycle buyers are morons but not all. In fact the adventure segment may be one of the few demographics that will worry about how a motorcycle performs etc.

Some of us will do research. If I was to be asked today about whether a future buyers should buy or wait for the new Vstrom I would have to tell them that the existing one has many quirks, poor fueling, clutch chudder, rear sprocket/cush hub, low electrical output, poor mileage and range.

Edit forgot ridiculous windshield wind buffeting

There has been zero evidence from the stylist reports that ANY of these real short comings have been addressed.

If you guys have handled these problems then this is what we want to hear about not that a stylist was inspired be a wood pecker in heat

thank you rich w

:green_lol::thumbup:

I will second that! I am very excited about the new DL1000. I had a DL1000 and enjoyed it, but the clutch chudder issue burned me. I would also like to know that the issues with the current model have been addressed.

At any rate, I will sit back and watch for 2-3 years and see how the early adopters fare, both with the quality of their bikes, and the quality of support from American Suzuki.

BigMan73 08-16-2013 05:57 PM

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The problem with the new Vstrom is that it doesn't excite
The KTM 1190 ADV does have this sparkle, and yet it seems KTM kept the function over form principle

Maybe the new Vstrom is just not the next bike for us?

richw 08-16-2013 10:01 PM

We shouldn't judge until it exists but I am trying to tell them that the faithful need to hear that concerns were addressed not ignored. They now have competition in this market area and millennials will be less tolerant of quirks then Geezers are

I have heard from a few KTM's that they are high strung, hard to work on, and have a few quirks of there own......Grass is greener

I don't care just a kibbutz as I will probably never buy another motorcycle as long as the 06 keeps going

mark444 08-16-2013 10:02 PM

I don't think any bike manufacturer is going to say in their ads "we got the following specific items wrong the first time.....but have addressed all these items in the 2014 model to make it better".
Suzuki HAS said they tweaked the motor (does that mean "fix", or just redesign for better fuel economy, blah, blah....???) for the 2014 version. Most of the previous Vee "irratants" have stemed from the engine.....with the exception of the cush hub wear.......so only time will tell if they fixed the chudder and other ridability problems.
If you remember when the 2012 Glee was introduced, Suzuki said the engine was revised for better fuel consumption.....and I don't remember much more (in the engine dept)?? (there may be, I just don't remember??? air-cooled oil cooler changed to water-cooled??) Did we get better brakes.....no. Better windshield design.....no. But we did get a better bike....as testified by owners who have owned both the old and the new. I expect Suzuki has done the same thing for the '14 Vee.........made it "better" but not necessarily addressing all the "nits" of the old model.

TOScootz 08-16-2013 10:44 PM

I notice that there was a thread concerning a recall of the 2012 Vee ECM. People who had it changed say that the bike with the new ECM runs beautifully. Perhaps while working on the 2014, the techs finally got it right, put the new map/ECM in the 2013s and voluntarily upgraded the 2012s. Suzuki has got some excellent engineers, they've asked the Europeans what they want, and I'll bet the boys (and girls) across the pond don't want chudder, poor mileage, etc. Wait and test drive before you write the new one off, just because you don't like Suzukis advertising campaign.:fineprint:

tiller4me 08-17-2013 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMan73 (Post 1499849)
The problem with the new Vstrom is that it doesn't excite
The KTM 1190 ADV does have this sparkle, and yet it seems KTM kept the function over form principle

And I am betting the new Vee won't cost $16,000 either.

rodknocker 08-17-2013 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by richw (Post 1491353)
I agree most motorcycle buyers are morons but not all. In fact the adventure segment may be one of the few demographics that will worry about how a motorcycle performs etc.

Some of us will do research. If I was to be asked today about whether a future buyers should buy or wait for the new Vstrom I would have to tell them that the existing one has many quirks, poor fueling, clutch chudder, rear sprocket/cush hub, low electrical output, poor mileage and range.

Edit forgot ridiculous windshield wind buffeting

There has been zero evidence from the stylist reports that ANY of these real short comings have been addressed.

If you guys have handled these problems then this is what we want to hear about not that a stylist was inspired be a wood pecker in heat

thank you rich w

Surely you consider yourself a member of the select group of morons !!! :green_lol:

BigMan73 08-17-2013 10:06 PM

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And I am betting the new Vee won't cost $16,000 either.

It won't, but if it costs $13K-$14K (likely, IMO), then $16K-$17K for a much better motorcycle is a better deal/value.
The DL-650 (Wee/Glee) is a good platform to improve from, since it is good value at ~$8-8.5K.
I wouldn't put $3K to improve a $13K motorcycle, would just go straight to the $16K bike.

I don't see Suzuki putting high quality suspension. Almost all their bikes have cheap suspension. Nor do I see any of the smart mapping all the other high end ADVs have, or the fly-by-wire throttle, cruise control.
It is going to be a better Vee, lighter and stronger, but not a force that can compete with the current 1200CC ADV bikes (BMW, Ducati, KTM, Triumph, Aprilia)
In fact, the other 1000cc "ADV" bikes are the Kawasaki Versys 1000, which I would never put off road with an inline 4 and so much weight, and the Honda Varadero 1000cc which is a great bike, but not sold in the US, and is also getting outdated.
KTM will no longer have the 990 model sold.. Does Suzuki want to be the only manufacturer selling in the US an ADV bike with 1000cc? Maybe it is a genius strategy, or maybe they don't read the market very well?? :confused:

Big B 08-18-2013 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMan73 (Post 1499849)
The problem with the new Vstrom is that it doesn't excite
The KTM 1190 ADV does have this sparkle, and yet it seems KTM kept the function over form principle

Maybe the new Vstrom is just not the next bike for us?

Speak for yourself, it speaks to me just fine. The KTM will have plenty of other things that I am sure will not excite you, especially when it breaks down or you need dealer support. Yes the European gourmet ADV bikes have great brakes and suspension, but plenty of other things can tarnish that real quick.


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