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post #1 of 19 Old 06-23-2012, 01:07 PM Thread Starter
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Motorcycle Consumer News gaff?

Just got my July issue of MCN. Noticed in Downtime files, a letter from a guy who had an 04 DL650 which burned regular gas. He was disappointed that the MCN article reported the new 650 needed premium fuel. What followed was a lengthy discussion about the adverse effects of long term detonation on a motor.

Well, I've been burn 87 octane in my 2012 Wee since new, however, I thought I'd better go check the owners manual. Sure enough, it says 87 octane. Email sent to MCN. I'm sure they will get many corrections. BTW, as I recall, they also stated the wet weight as over 900 pounds.

MCN is great magazine, just do your own homework.
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Yes,

I saw that too....
Thought they were probably wrong re: the fuel.
That lil' 650 will run on pee.

Also, the wet weight and GVW were obviously reversed.
They list
Wet Weight / 915
GVR / 516.5

I still subscribe and like the mag.
I called the editor once, Dave Searle,... got right through. Nice guy.
Everybody makes mistakes... everybody's feeling the pinch of our "recoved economy".


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I noticed that too and was disappointed. So the manual does specify regular stuff after all. Good.

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Just got my July issue of MCN. Noticed in Downtime files, a letter from a guy who had an 04 DL650 which burned regular gas. He was disappointed that the MCN article reported the new 650 needed premium fuel. What followed was a lengthy discussion about the adverse effects of long term detonation on a motor.

Well, I've been burn 87 octane in my 2012 Wee since new, however, I thought I'd better go check the owners manual. Sure enough, it says 87 octane.
Regular here is 85.5 so I have to use at least midgrade if I want 87 or higher.

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It's a small world. I read the same MCN Downtime Files section yesterday and promptly got my Owner's Manual out to double-check - sure enough, 87 required minimum. I'm surprised that they didn't catch it by doing a little research before responding to the question. Or maybe premium means different things to different folks? I also sent a friendly FYI e-mail to the editor about it.

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Regular here is 85.5 so I have to use at least midgrade if I want 87 or higher.
The 87 or higher is for typical elevations. In higher elevations where 85 is sold, it works fine.

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<<The 87 or higher is for typical elevations. In higher elevations where 85 is sold, it works fine.>>

Pat, that had always been my understanding until a few years ago when I bought a vehicle with a Ford Triton V-10 engine. In the engine owners manual it states that the recommended octane is 87, and then states that Ford does not believe in using a fuel with less than 87 octane at higher elevations. It's very specific about this.

Of course our V-stroms do not have Ford engines and my DL 650 owners manual isn't specific about this one way or another, simply stating "Your motorcycle required regular unleaded gasoline with a minimum pump octane rating of 87 ((R+M/2) method)." It does say regular but doesn't mention other than 87 octane, at least that I could find, so I find this quite confusing.

This is of particular importance to me because my home is at 5700 ft elevation and the town where I buy most of my gas is at 5280 ft (calls itself "the mile high town") and regular is 85 octane, mid-grade 87. Wanting to err on the side of caution, I've been explicitly following the Suzuki manual and using 87 but wondering if I'm wasting my money, which, being retired, I would rather not do.

Have you, or anyone else, perhaps discussed this issue with Suzuki for clarification?

Thanks for any further clarifying input. I need it! )

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If an engine doesn't ping, there is enough octane. I use 85 on trips in the mountains and it works fine.

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If an engine doesn't ping, there is enough octane. I use 85 on trips in the mountains and it works fine.
Do Suzuki uses knock sensors? I know the BM F800GS / F650GS twin do, and get really economical fuel consumption figures, which when reading tests the L2 gets close to but is still about 10% worse than the BM.
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