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post #1 of 19 Old 03-25-2015, 05:04 PM Thread Starter
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Down Shifting to First

Question from a Noob, so apologies upfront. I have a 2014 DL650. Sometimes, not always, when I'm coming to a stop and I down shift to first, there is a pretty noticeable "crunch" transitioning from 2->1. Is this normal? Bike has < 3500 miles.

At the risk of clouding the issue, I also notice during the same scenario as above, I'll down shift and will hit neutral ( no biggie ), but then going into first there is an extended grinding ( for lack of better term ). I remove pressure and push it into first with a bit more force, and no problem. Maybe I am just not pushing down hard enough going from N->1
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Has your clutch ever been adjusted? The dealer told me when I bought mine that they will stretch a bit while new, but then settle down.

What speed are you shifting down to first?

When my bike is cold, and especially if I don't let the RPMs settle down after initially starting, the "clunk" makes me almost flinch, so I typically will wait those few extra seconds.. Otherwise it's noticeable, but I guess you just get used to it. It's definitely not smooth as butter going into first, but then again I've really never had a bike that was.

Also, I think it helps to be fairly deliberate when shifting - don't hesitate, just pull in the clutch and make the move firmly.
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Question from a Noob, so apologies upfront. I have a 2014 DL650. Sometimes, not always, when I'm coming to a stop and I down shift to first, there is a pretty noticeable "crunch" transitioning from 2->1. Is this normal? Bike has < 3500 miles.

At the risk of clouding the issue, I also notice during the same scenario as above, I'll down shift and will hit neutral ( no biggie ), but then going into first there is an extended grinding ( for lack of better term ). I remove pressure and push it into first with a bit more force, and no problem. Maybe I am just not pushing down hard enough going from N->1
I don't think that sounds right. A "clunk" is normal when going into first, but grinding and crunching sounds like a clutch that hasn't fully engaged. Was this how the bike sounded from day 1?

I also have a '14 and I can't say I've noticed that sort of sound. If you're a completely new rider I suggest you get someone else to try the bike to see if sounds normal to them. What sounds like a "crunch" to you might sound like a "clunk" to them and be completely normal.

Pretty hard to diagnose sound issues on the internet

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What speed is a good question. I believe you need to be under 20mph.

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On my bike I have to shift into first while I still have a bit of forward momentum, otherwise I'll experience the same symptoms. Otherwise my transmission is smooth as butter.

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When I'm coming to a stop or slowing, I'll downshift to whatever gear is appropriate for the speed I'm going. That way if I need to take off I'm ready. Also I don't as a rule use engine braking to slow down. As has been said, you want to be in first before you come to a complete stop, and don't wait until you're doing 10 mph to start downshifting from 6 or it will be balky as well. I've found after I stop in first, I can go to neutral (if it's safe to do so) and then back into first with no problem. Having said that, I don't think I've experienced the sounds you're describing.

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Ok, good suggestions. I'll pay attention to the speed, and yes, I am a new rider and have someone that could ride it and tell me what they think.
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Figure it's best to downshift in a similar pattern to the way you upshift. You want to be in the appropriate gear for the speed you are traveling whether you are speeding up or slowing down. If you are going too slow for the gear you want to get to when decelerating, the bike will not want to change gears. You'll find yourself stopped and going down through the gears by applying downward pressure on the selector and letting the clutch lever out a little bit for each gear change. After each change, you'll bring the clutch lever back in, let the selector back up, apply downward pressure on the selector again and let the clutch lever out a little bit and so on. If you try downshifting too soon and are going too fast for the gear you are selecting, such that letting the clutch lever out would cause an over rev, you'll get that clash and grind.

Keep the gear appropriate to the speed and you'll stop feeling like such a newb. With practice, you'll do it unconsciously.

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Never heard crunch. Transmission is as smooth as silk.

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Figure it's best to downshift in a similar pattern to the way you upshift. You want to be in the appropriate gear for the speed you are traveling whether you are speeding up or slowing down. If you are going too slow for the gear you want to get to when decelerating, the bike will not want to change gears. You'll find yourself stopped and going down through the gears by applying downward pressure on the selector and letting the clutch lever out a little bit for each gear change. After each change, you'll bring the clutch lever back in, let the selector back up, apply downward pressure on the selector again and let the clutch lever out a little bit and so on. If you try downshifting too soon and are going too fast for the gear you are selecting, such that letting the clutch lever out would cause an over rev, you'll get that clash and grind.

Keep the gear appropriate to the speed and you'll stop feeling like such a newb. With practice, you'll do it unconsciously.
Actually, I am not doing that. I'm cruising along at say 45 in 4th and see the light ahead turn red. Plenty of time to slow down, so I roll off the throttle while maintaining the same gear. Long before it ever gets to the point of lugging because of being in too high a gear, I pull in the clutch and coast to a stop never engaging another gear. While coasting, I start slowly downshifting.
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